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I thought this was pretty interesting...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/hig ... 09954.html

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Social media was buzzing about a Boston-area high school teacher's blunt commencement speech that told students they "are not special."

Wellesley High English teacher David McCullough Jr. told graduates "You are not special. You are not exceptional," quoting empirical evidence:

"Across the country no fewer than 3.2 million seniors are graduating about now from more than 37,000 high schools. That's 37,000 valedictorians ... 37,000 class presidents ... 92,000 harmonizing altos ... 340,000 swaggering jocks ... 2,185,967 pairs of Uggs," he said in the speech published in the Boston Herald.
He added: "Even if you're one in a million, on a planet of 6.8 billion that means there are nearly 7,000 people just like you."

McCullough makes a statement on parents who overdo it in a modern society focused on collecting achievements. "You've been pampered, cosseted, doted upon, helmeted, bubble wrapped ... feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie." But he adds in a video on Wellesley Channel TV YouTube page, "You see, if everyone is special, then no one is. If everyone gets a trophy, trophies become meaningless. ... We have of late, we Americans, to our detriment, come to love accolades more than genuine achievement."


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Nice speech. Kudos to the teacher.


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Wow. Glad someone in his position had the balls to speak the truth.

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Somebody gets it!

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Awesome! I say this to Foamy all the time. I am tired of society rewarding mediocrity.

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Oonagh wrote:
Awesome! I say this to Foamy all the time. I am tired of society rewarding mediocrity.


You tell Foamy he isn't special, all the time? That's mean. :P


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Too bad this is probably the first time in 13 years (k-12) that anyone has told these kids that.

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Sure, it's true, but he's an ***. For probably 99% of them, graduation was the single most significant accomplishment any of them had made to that point.

Congratulations are in order.

If you ran your first marathon, and crossed the finish line, would you appreciate someone coming over and saying "you know, you're the 150th person to cross the line, and there's thousands of marathons a year. Statistically speaking, marathons are not very difficult."

What a dick.


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Yea, congratulations on achieving mediocrity...


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Sure, it's true, but he's an ***. For probably 99% of them, graduation was the single most significant accomplishment any of them had made to that point.

Congratulations are in order.

If you ran your first marathon, and crossed the finish line, would you appreciate someone coming over and saying "you know, you're the 150th person to cross the line, and there's thousands of marathons a year. Statistically speaking, marathons are not very difficult."

What a dick.

I'm not a big fan of heaping acolades on to someone who has merely done something they were supposed and expected to do in the first place. "Congradulations! You put on pants before going outside! We're all so very **** proud of you! Tommy, go get some clowns and a **** elephant! I'm gonna throw this **** pants wearing hero a parade!"

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I like the speech. It's like the whole change in sports for kids that has taken place over the last couple of decades. Everybody gets a trophy! You're all winners!! Screw that. Sometimes you lose kid, suck it up and do better next time.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Sure, it's true, but he's an ***. For probably 99% of them, graduation was the single most significant accomplishment any of them had made to that point.

Congratulations are in order.

If you ran your first marathon, and crossed the finish line, would you appreciate someone coming over and saying "you know, you're the 150th person to cross the line, and there's thousands of marathons a year. Statistically speaking, marathons are not very difficult."

What a dick.


If school were harder, such that an high school education was not a bare minimum expectation and those that did not finish still had a reasonable chance of a decent living, that might be true. It might even be true if families and friends were not fawning over their graduates so much.

Graduating high school is not an accomplishment, except maybe for those kids that took considerable extra burden on top of their academics, or those so put upon by their peers that getting through without killing themself qualifies as an accomplishment. It is similar to a marathon only in terms of length.

In fact, probably most of those kids have done at least one thing, maybe even under the auspices of school, that's a bigger accomplishment. Running an actual marathon certainly is.

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Midgen wrote:
Yea, congratulations on achieving mediocrity...


The sheer number of hours involved in going through schooling from 1st to 12th grade in and of itself is worth celebrating. Do you feel the same way about retirement parties? Weddings? Birthdays? Anniversaries? These are all things tons of people have and are not special. Still worth celebrating, though. Certainly not worth putting down simply because lots of other folks did it too.


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I didn't say they aren't worth celebrating. Celebrate moving on to the next phase of life, etc...

Heck, who even needs a reason to have a party?

Still doesn't make you special.


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Helen: I can't believe you don't want to go to your own son's graduation.
Bob: It's not a graduation. He is moving from the 4th grade to the 5th grade.
Helen: It's a ceremony!
Bob: It's psychotic! They keep creating new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is genuinely exceptional...


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kind of a self fulfilling prophecy isn't it though?

convince 100 people they'll never rise above middle manager, and you'll get 100 people who don't try to even be good middle managers. Why put in the effort if you have no chance of success?

And the fact that the speaker DID achieve celebrity status sure shoots his argument in the foot. I wonder what would have happened if someone had managed to convince him when he was young that he would never succeed so why try.


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TheRiov wrote:
kind of a self fulfilling prophecy isn't it though?

convince 100 people they'll never rise above middle manager, and you'll get 100 people who don't try to even be good middle managers. Why put in the effort if you have no chance of success?

And the fact that the speaker DID achieve celebrity status sure shoots his argument in the foot. I wonder what would have happened if someone had managed to convince him when he was young that he would never succeed so why try.

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Tangu Matraa wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Sure, it's true, but he's an ***. For probably 99% of them, graduation was the single most significant accomplishment any of them had made to that point.

Congratulations are in order.

If you ran your first marathon, and crossed the finish line, would you appreciate someone coming over and saying "you know, you're the 150th person to cross the line, and there's thousands of marathons a year. Statistically speaking, marathons are not very difficult."

What a dick.

I'm not a big fan of heaping acolades on to someone who has merely done something they were supposed and expected to do in the first place. "Congradulations! You put on pants before going outside! We're all so very **** proud of you! Tommy, go get some clowns and a **** elephant! I'm gonna throw this **** pants wearing hero a parade!"


That's dumb. I made a big deal out of it the first time my kid got dressed by himself, used the toilet, etc. It was a big deal to him and he was very proud of himself.

You guys are weird.


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Midgen wrote:
I didn't say they aren't worth celebrating. Celebrate moving on to the next phase of life, etc...

Heck, who even needs a reason to have a party?

Still doesn't make you special.


We know this. Nobody's saying they are. Telling them this, on the day of their graduation, is a dick move. Tell them later, or better yet, earlier. Don't be that guy.


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kind of a self fulfilling prophecy isn't it though?

convince 100 people they'll never rise above middle manager, and you'll get 100 people who don't try to even be good middle managers. Why put in the effort if you have no chance of success?

And the fact that the speaker DID achieve celebrity status sure shoots his argument in the foot. I wonder what would have happened if someone had managed to convince him when he was young that he would never succeed so why try.


Huh?

It's not a self fullfilling prophecy, he's exactly right. He's just being a dick about it.


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And the fact that the speaker DID achieve celebrity status sure shoots his argument in the foot. I wonder what would have happened if someone had managed to convince him when he was young that he would never succeed so why try.

Your threshold for success is extremely low if you think 15 minutes of fame in a down news cycle is it. I suppose Mittens stuck in a tree is very successful too come July.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:

That's dumb. I made a big deal out of it the first time my kid got dressed by himself, used the toilet, etc. It was a big deal to him and he was very proud of himself.

You guys are weird.


That's because he had to learn those tasks, and you were providing positive reinforcement.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:

The sheer number of hours involved in going through schooling from 1st to 12th grade in and of itself is worth celebrating. Do you feel the same way about retirement parties? Weddings? Birthdays? Anniversaries? These are all things tons of people have and are not special. Still worth celebrating, though. Certainly not worth putting down simply because lots of other folks did it too.


No one said families should not celebrate graduations, just like they celebrate weddings and anniversaries. Moreover, retirement is vastly more of an accomplishment than graduation just becuase of the stage of life it takes place at, and all the things besides work one gets through in the intervening years.

This speaker is providing the perspective of the rest of the world, something teenagers desperately need to hear in addition to the praise of their family and friends. Teenagers are highly self-centered. If they don't lose that sense of self-importance they become adults that can't understand why the world won't accomedate them.

If a graduate is a member of your family or a friend, yes, you should celebrate. If it's anyone else, why would you give a ****?

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No one said families should not celebrate graduations, just like they celebrate weddings and anniversaries. Moreover, retirement is vastly more of an accomplishment than graduation just becuase of the stage of life it takes place at, and all the things besides work one gets through in the intervening years.


From a societal standpoint, the view you seem to take with the rest of your post, a retirement is an old duffer getting out of the way, should be celebrated, but is not, IMO, as big an accomplishment as the young man coming of age, exiting his parents care, and entering the real world. Which, really, is what graduation is to a large... degree.

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If a graduate is a member of your family or a friend, yes, you should celebrate. If it's anyone else, why would you give a ****?


Sure. But I would think a high school teacher, talking to his students, should give somewhat of a ****. Sorry, dude's a dick.


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