The Glade 4.0

I don't think you're racist.

Since every election it appears that 1/2 the country votes GOP I don't think you can say there is a prevailing view that the GOP is racist. You can say there is a prevailing view on the left that the GOP is racist but you can't present it as the norm.

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I'm sorry, do I need to run all my responses by you before I post them?

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Bzzzzz...you weren't asked.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Ah, I was referring to the GOP as the party leadership who actually selected the speakers. Note that I wasn't calling even them racist though. That's why I changed "pretend" to "bolster their argument" that they aren't racist.

As for rank-and-file Republican supporters/voters, I think many of them probably have particular affinity for candidates/speakers they agree with who also happen to be minorities because it makes it easier for them to (i) counter charges of racism and (ii) affirm in their own minds (on a subconscious level) that they really aren't racist. It's like the Dems falling all over themselves for military vets who agree with them on foreign/military policy. It's not a coincidence that Wesley Clark and John Kerry were pushed front and center in 2004, for example.

BZZZZZ... You made a blanket statement about "anyone on the left" and then tried to invalidate a post from someone on the left. Big surprise!

It was a joke. Lighten up.

Sorry, the moron part was over the top.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

This is the really insulting mindset that libs like RD have.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

And herein lies the problem...

Given that you didn't reference my analogy to Dems' similar reaction to leftish military vets, I'm curious whether you think that's also false and insulting (to Dems, of course). Or do you agree that Dems have tended to embrace friendly military types more enthusiastically in part because of an underlying insecurity after years of being portrayed as anti-military?

That's the thing. I try not to just assume that if our a lib or dem you don't like military folks. If I see proof of it, from the actual person mind you, then I'll probably form an opinion. Why can't you do the same RD?

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Pretty comical that someone actually PM'd me to ask why I posted this in Hellfire..

I mean what could possibly go wrong?

You seem to be misunderstanding my point. I don't assume libs/Dems dislike the military, nor do I assume that Reps are racist. I assume that after years of being called anti-military (in the case of Dems) and racist (in the case of Reps), they've internalized those criticisms to a degree. Think of it like this: if you go through life being called stupid all the time, even if you know, objectively, that it's not true, you're still probably going to internalize that insult a bit and thus react with extra enthusiasm to people who tell you you're smart. I think that's just human nature.

I have not found that most liberals or democrats are against military people. They tend to be against military spending - other than spending on either pay or benefits for military people, or equipment directly used by infantry soldiers or others engaged in ground combat.

Liberals tend to think of the military as made up of largely poor lower enlisted folks that get sent to do shitty jobs, and senior officers who are conservative (and therefore uncaring about the poor lower enlisted soldiers) and who like to play with expensive toys. Thus, they oppose things like new fighter jets or tanks even if the wings or tracks are falling off the old ones. A liberal will loudly screech about how we don't need new tanks, but equally loudly scream about troops not getting body armor, completely forgetting that the tank is driven by a young private and commanded by a fairly young sergeant, or that the fighter jet in question is flown by a young pilot who is very expensive to train and for whom the capabilities of that jet (to say nothing of its structural integrity) mean life or death.

That isn't to say that most liberals are unaware that tanks are driven by real soldiers, but they tend to draw this line between people and materiel and tend to forget that the materiel is necessary to keep people alive in combat. A new aircraft carrier is a giant new toy for admirals to them and they tend to forget about the thousands of sailors aboard it, and for whom a new carrier rather than one almost as old as their grandfather is a significant matter (and yes, the USS Enterprise is getting that old)

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Sorry, but I've gotta call you on this one. You do this. Case in point, you heard an opinion from one liberal, in this thread, and stated:



That's extracting the one opinion to a group.

I was being an *******. I generally give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

FWIW, I don't think NF is racist either, and I assume I'm on "the left," particularly of this board.

I think that the woman's stances and views are perfectly in line with the GOP's views and stances; if the GOP wasn't continually being the target of some on the left who throw around the race card like Gambit at the WSOP her "race" wouldn't even be part of the equation (in anyone's mind).

Of course she "benefited from society", everyone else has had access to those very same "benefits", so it's a non-issue, much like which century you're born in, which country...

But wait, the standard line of the left is that the very same society that she derived "benefit" from has also done it's damndest to hold her down because of her gender and her "race"

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

You know, I am certainly not on the left. I have no use for Obama at all. I'd vote Ron Paul in a heartbeat if I were American and I could write in a ballot.

With that said, I don't see what your issues are with RD's statements.

the first point absolutely right. The second point is debatable, but is certainly a valid opinion that is supportable by logic. Neither point is offensive; they don't call anyone racist. The GOP would and should jump at the chance to put a black woman who espouses their views on the ballot - it very much does bolster their arguments against claims of being racist, and would help gather some of the black and female voters who otherwise ignore them.

If anything, she's right there with Obama in proving that the next jackass who plays the race card needs a kick in the ***. Race needs to be ignored in america. Black people can be rising republican stars that support a few antiquated religious views as the only real differentiation between them and their black democratic president who, in addition to being the first black president, is also the first black puppet to the establishment.

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Those on the left see value in leftist statements, while those on the right see value in rightist remarks.

Those in the center see a huge **** void in substance.

Where's the beef? JOBS

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In time, this too shall pass.

The Democrats are the Party of Hate. The Republicans are the Party of Fear. Remember that, especially you, RangerDave. After all, I would hate having to remind you that it was the Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act in the late 50s and early 60s. I'll remind you that it was the Democrats that perpuated Racism and Jim Crow and America's de facto apartheid after Reconstruction. I'll remind you that it's the Democrats who think keeping abortion mills in minority neighborhoods is a good thing no matter how much sociological data shows its causing a negative impact on their population.

If Republicans are racist, at least they do it rather openly. Democrats just internalized Margaret Sanger's insidious self-justifications.

The United States is sick. We're in a Depression. The Economy has done exactly what I said it would; and Obama has done with it exactly what I said he would. The Democrats don't know how to run this country; the Republicans don't have much of a clue either; and NEITHER party wants to be President for the last four years. Yet, you come here making statements of non-fact and relatively little merit as if they have political value. You're accusing political opponents of whoring out a relatively young, black Mormon woman for little more than the votes of a few people who might think they are less racist because of it.

Do you have any ****' idea how petulant, insulting, and foolish your comment is? They're trotting out Mia Love and Condoleeza Rice because they want professional black women to be ok with being nominally conservative. It's got nothing to do with racism; it has everything to do with media and political stereotypes. Do we really need another election where all the Democratic and pro-lunatic pundits explain how the rising black and hispanic populations in the South will suddenly create a liberal utopia down here? It's not happening. Figure it out: those minorities are just as not-Democratic as all of us racist white **** you think were responsible for the actions of your god-damned party.

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Of course, all those Dixiecrats abandoned the Dems in droves and started voting Republican about 40-50 years ago because the Dems embraced Civil Rights, so....

And if you honestly believe Republican convention organizers weren't interested in using the optics of a "young, black, Mormon woman" on the stage to push back against the image of the Reps as being racist, you're just hopelessly naive. As for Condi Rice, I never said anything about her.

I find it odd that some people are so obsessed with race they have to ascribe their obsession as a generality within the political realm and shape it accordingly to the subject being viewed.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

RD, the fact is that the left and the Dems are the ones that make a big deal out of race these days. The right, not so much. I'd wager that the right is the side that is trying to move on and see people for who they are as individuals, not base every single thing on the color of their skin. If you guys would stop seeing racism in every word or deed said or done by someone not on your side of the political isle, race issues in this country would be a lot better. Your side can't let it go and you use it as a weapon every opportunity you get. It's quite comical that the left and the Dems are the only ones hearing all these dog whistles.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

If the victims had given up the power of crying racism, I'd think we would be past this by now.

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