The Glade 4.0

You are now making **** up.

Why on earth would I fear gays? That makes zero sense. I've stated many, many times I don't care what you do with your life. Live it however you want. I do, however, not have to agree with it, like it, support it...whatever. Shoot, you can even be an overweight guy who lives in his moms basement if that's what you want to do with your life. Knock yourself out!

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

If it's a private business, do what you want. If you can make a buck killiing babies, why do you need my money?

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

That's a red herring. If there were no difference between "civil marriage" and "civil union" there would still be those crying inequality because of public perception if nothing else.



As I said: "...any two people wishing to have the State sanction their relationship should be able to do so for any reason."

Call it what you will, it's a freaking contract, and any two, six or forty people should be able to sign it.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

So if you don't care, why do you continue to support the arguments against gay marriage?

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Holy shitsnacks!

I'm not NF, but I disagree with any private organization receiving my money through the Gov't, for any reason.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

So now we're arguing just to argue? Our positions on this substantially concur.

Except for the "marriage" term. I think.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Just to be clear, because I'm curious, does this also extend to any companies receiving subsidies or tax cuts from the government?

Government research grants?

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Subsidies? You bet.
Tax Cuts? Uh huh.
Grants? Yup.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

That falls under the "do not have to agree, like, support" part. I am not perfect. I try to live my life by certain guidlines that you like to poke fun of and mock for various reasons. What people do with their lives, is their choice. I'll give you that. I may not like it, but I'll treat you with respect even if I don't care for it. But if it goes against what I believe is right, moral, whatever...then sorry...you don't get my support.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

There's a difference between not supporting something and actively denying it to others because something you live by tells you to. Even if that thing you live by isn't shared with those you're trying to deny things to.

Just so you know, that's kinda shitty.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Is he really "actively denying" anything to anyone, or just stating his opinion? If he's not part of the "solution", is he part of the "problem"? If he's not with us, is he against us? If he doesn't support gay marriage, do the terrorists win? (Sorry, the other thread crept in here, but the first two questions are legit).

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

So... don't wanna answer my actual question?

Is abortion the only part of Planned Parenthood's services that you have an issue with?

I'll edit this as we aren't getting anywhere fast.

You believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Also just curious, does your definition of private organizations extend to academic institutions? Or non-profit research institutions, like Scripps or MIT Media Labs?

And I'm assuming from your above statement that you're against churches being able to operate in a tax-exempt state?

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

It's not "my definition". Are they private organizations? If yes, then why should the Gov't give our money to private organizations they approve of and not others?



Absolutely.
Out of curiosity, what should the Gov't be taxing them on?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

The same thing any other company with income is taxed on?

And I asked about private organizations, because I've heard different people consider different institutions "private", depending on how much of a split there is in the way they're run. Technically, state schools are "government run", but practically they run as private organizations.

And I'd argue that the Gov't gives money to private non-profit research institutions in a fashion that grows infrastructure and benefits us all, but I know there are differences of opinion on the issue. We'd definitely be looking at a massive drop in progress if we stopped government research grants.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Nobody's proposing to ban birth control. I think they are proposing to not pay for your birth control.

So, buy me a life jacket or I might drown!

Obviously, why is that important? If your next question is "So you would be ok if the PP continued getting goverment money if they stopped doing abortions?" then the answer would be no.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Eh, it simply amounts to gender discrimination.

Can Susan marry Bob? Yes
Can Richard marry Bob? No.

Why? Because Richard is a male. Males are being discriminated against because all females are allowed to marry Bob no problem, but any male who wants to marry Bob cannot solely because of their gender.

See my education metaphors a few pages back.

We shouldn't teach kids how to use condoms(seat belts) in sex education (drivers education) because it leads to riskier behavior!

We shouldn't teach our children how to use condoms (lifejackets) when they have sex (go boating), because it will lead to riskier behavior!

Nitpick it if you will, but the metaphor is definitely there, and the comparison is pretty funny.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

The vast majority of women take it for sexual reasons. However, a great many of those women also take it for other purposes, some of which have alternate means of treatment. Acne is a good example. Birth control can be used to treat acne, but its far from the only method.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Not all, or even most, women who have abortions face either problem.

More importantly, paying money for 18+ years =/= "control of reproductive health" that lasts for 9 months or so. The problem with the present argument isn't that there shouldn't be some freedom of choice in abortion, it's that women should not be able to exercise complete control over their reproductive future AND a mans in this fashion. It isn't as if child support is some minor bill to pay, it's a major financial burden that can make supporting himself, or his other children very hard for a man. It can be that way for women too, but let's not pretend men can easily get custody or get women to pay child support. It's vastly skewed.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

*Nods like crazy*

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Yes, they do. Using the government to tax people and provide specific social programs, however, has nothing to do with compassion. Compassion is exemplified by your own willful giving, not by making laws to force everyone to give, nor by advancing specific social agendas because they ostensibly "help the less fortunate".

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That's silly. The same situation applies to females. They cannot marry persons of the same gender either. Therefore, there is no gender discrimination - unless you're going to try to say "everyone's being discriminated against equally!"

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."