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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:30 pm 
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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama outlined new multibillion-dollar stimulus and jobs proposals Tuesday, saying the nation must continue to "spend our way out of this recession" until more Americans are back at work.

Without giving a price tag, Obama proposed a package of new spending for highway, bridge and other infrastructure projects, deeper tax breaks for small businesses and tax incentives to encourage people to make their homes more energy efficient.

"We avoided the depression many feared," Obama said in a speech at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. But, he added, "Our work is far from done."

For the third time in a week, Obama sought to focus on job creation, noting that the unemployment rate was still at 10 percent in November, though down slightly from its 10.2 percent peak. He said "a staggering" 7 million Americans have lost jobs since the recession began two years ago.

While his proposal did not include the kind of direct federal public works jobs that were created in the 1930s, he said government could set the stage for more job creation by private businesses.

A major part of his package is new incentives for small businesses, which account for two-thirds of the nation's work force. He proposed a new tax cut for small businesses that hire in 2010 and an elimination for one year of the capital gains tax on profits from small-business investments.

Obama also proposed an elimination of fees on loans to small businesses, coupled with federal guarantees of those loans through the end of next year.

He called for more government spending on infrastructure projects such as roads, bridges and water projects and for new tax breaks for consumers who invest in energy-efficient retrofits in their homes. This could be what some administration officials have called a "Cash for Caulkers" program modeled on the now-expired Cash for Clunkers program of tax rebates for people who turned in old cars for more fuel-efficient models.

The administration also is eyeing ways to get money still not spent in the $787 billion stimulus bill passed last winter into projects more quickly.

Obama did not characterize his new proposals as another stimulus program like that mammoth measure, but Republican critics have called it just that and have said it will increase a federal deficit that is already at a record level.

Obama included sharp criticism for Republicans in his speech, accusing them of opposing economic stimulus efforts and his health care overhaul while supporting tax cuts and spending that have ballooned the deficit.

He said that soon after taking office, he and congressional Democrats took "a series of difficult steps" to try to stabilize the financial system and pull the economy out of a deep recession.

"And we were forced to take those steps largely without the help of an opposition party which, unfortunately, after having presided over the decision-making that led to the crisis, decided to hand it to others to solve."

Obama did not say how much his proposals would cost, although congressional Democrats are eyeing a $70 billion package to help create jobs and to provide aid to hard-pressed state and local governments. Administration aides suggested that the part of the package dealing with roads, bridges and other infrastructure could total about $50 billion.

While acknowledging increasing concerns in Congress and among the public over the nation's growing debt, Obama said critics present a "false choice" between paying down deficits and investing in job creation and economic growth.

To pay for the new programs, the administration is citing the Treasury Department's report on Monday that it expects to get back $200 billion in taxpayer-approved bank bailout funds faster than expected.

Obama suggested this windfall would both help the government spend money on job creation while also paying down the nation's debt, which now totals $12 trillion.

Obama called the bank bailout, under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), "galling."

"There has rarely been a less loved — or more necessary — emergency program," Obama said. The program is expected to go out of business at the end of this year unless extended by Congress.

Since the program is costing taxpayers at least $200 billion less than expected, Obama said, "This gives us a chance to pay down the deficit faster than we thought possible and to shift funds that would have gone to help the banks on Wall Street to help create jobs on Main Street."

But Republicans continued to insist that the leftover and repaid TARP money must be used exclusively for deficit reduction and not for a new jobs program.

"The president's announcement is further proof that TARP has morphed from an emergency injection of liquidity to thaw frozen credit markets into a $700 billion revolving slush fund to promote the Democrats' political, social and economic agenda," said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas.

Obama said he is backing the measures he outlined because they "will generate the greatest number of jobs while generating the greatest value for our economy."

"These targeted initiatives are right, and they are needed," he said.


I'm surprised noone has jumped on this yet.


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Why beat a dead horse? Barack Obama has proven himself the most financially and fiscally incompetent President in the history of the United States in 10 months. It's pretty awesome, if you ask me. His entry in the history book will make W's look like a praise parade.

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gorram this guy is a f*cktard.

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I've come to accept continuing to do more of what is currently not working (and probably actively causing harm), and lying about the efficacy of their actions, as par for the course from the current administration. Thus, not really noteworthy.

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So has he brought about the economic collapse you wanted when you voted for Obama Khross? Frankly the **** that keeps coming out of his mouth makes me want to run to the gun store and keep stocking up on Ammo. It is almost frighting how stupid his economic policy is.

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Uncle Fester:

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The first four paragraphs I was convinced it was a piece from the Onion.

Then I cried.

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Khross wrote:
Why beat a dead horse? Barack Obama has proven himself the most financially and fiscally incompetent President in the history of the United States in 10 months. It's pretty awesome, if you ask me. His entry in the history book will make W's look like a praise parade.


Are you sure the history books will say that?

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Only if you read past the buncha praises and exageration about him being the first black (thus implied hardship) president, and the blames on everyone else for the economical downfall. After several pages you may give up and never get to the bad stuff.


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Borrowing out of recession is pretty much standard Keynesian thought. And frankly, it's working. We had growth last quarter, and many of the countries that had a robust stimulus saw their recessions turn around. Now it's on to jobs.

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You do realize, Monte, that the only job growth last reporting period was in temporary work, right? And even that is nowhere near historical seasonal hiring levels.

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No, standard Keynesian thought is building up a surplus during boom times so you can run a deficit during bust times. Massive government debt is still bad under Keynesianism.

On a slightly funnier note, it looks like Obama's administration is actually calling their home-improvement incentive plan, "Cash for Caulk."


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so many innuendos.. so little time >.<


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Actually Xequecal, it's "Cash For Caulkers."
Still funny though. http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/08/news/economy/president_energy/

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
You do realize, Monte, that the only job growth last reporting period was in temporary work, right?



And government jobs. Don't forget those.

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Monte wrote:
Borrowing out of recession is pretty much standard Keynesian thought. And frankly, it's working. We had growth last quarter, and many of the countries that had a robust stimulus saw their recessions turn around. Now it's on to jobs.
No, it's not. All of those countries had to revise their growth down once they adjusted for value losses in their currency and real inflation ... just like the United States. And, even the seasonal hiring in the United States wasn't enough to outstrip jobs lost last month. So, you keep listening to the charlatans and frauds in DC, while the rest of us suffer through a depression.

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People think wars are good for the economy, I was taught that in school, it'll be the same for this stuff. Government is always painted as the one that saved us from the mess they created. Except no one says they created it.

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This borrow out of the recession strategy reminds me of a conventional soldier wisdom about the atropine injecter and the other one (I forget what it contained) you got issued in case you were exposed to chemical attack. Conventional wisdom was that it didn't counter chemical agents; it simply kept you alive and coherent so you could keep fighting for the time being, and you were most likely going to die anyhow. I've seen an old field manual on nuclear combat from the 80s too, and radiation exposure tables sort of indicate the same thing for radiation exposure - how long can this man keep fighting?

I don't want to get into the actual effects of various doses of various chemicals since I really don't know what the actual effect of these injections would be for various exposures; I just think this "spend our way out" logic sounds disturbingly similar.

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I've seen an old field manual on nuclear combat from the 80s too, and radiation exposure tables sort of indicate the same thing for radiation exposure - how long can this man keep fighting?

My old boss who was in the army used to say "Count to flash, *** to blast." Was that part of it?

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I've seen an old field manual on nuclear combat from the 80s too, and radiation exposure tables sort of indicate the same thing for radiation exposure - how long can this man keep fighting?


Most likely Potassium Iodide tablets. They just protect your thyroid gland from radioactive iodine. Large, acute exposures to ionizing radiation still have the same effects and result in quick, painful and gruesome death.

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Diamondeye wrote:
This borrow out of the recession strategy reminds me of a conventional soldier wisdom about the atropine injecter and the other one (I forget what it contained) you got issued in case you were exposed to chemical attack. Conventional wisdom was that it didn't counter chemical agents; it simply kept you alive and coherent so you could keep fighting for the time being, and you were most likely going to die anyhow. I've seen an old field manual on nuclear combat from the 80s too, and radiation exposure tables sort of indicate the same thing for radiation exposure - how long can this man keep fighting?

I don't want to get into the actual effects of various doses of various chemicals since I really don't know what the actual effect of these injections would be for various exposures; I just think this "spend our way out" logic sounds disturbingly similar.



A large amount is a sedative actually. It keeps your body from destroying itself and slows down metabolism and also helps in a more peaceful death. There are anti - nerve,blood,blister agents in it as well.

And yes the iodine tablets are used to saturate the thyroid with non radioactive iodine so it doesn't collect the radioactive isotopes. If its low level exposure to a recent nuke blast it helps stave off cancer years down the road. It won't do **** if you're sitting there baking in radiation.

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