The Glade 4.0

What exactly is the contradiction you see here? Destruction of property is a crime but the sentence was disproportionate to the offense. The us has not taken any action against the film maker other than to ask a private company to review if they want the site up.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

You don't suspect the mans life is in danger?

That's what you're going with?

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

I don't know, did he? Did he call and request protective custody?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Nitefox, that is a non-sequitur.

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No, it's a cardigan.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

You don't know anything more about the situation than anyone else here. But you're accusing the US gov't of suppressing free speech or .. something or other, and comparing it to the long-term incarceration of individuals in Russia after a trial---based on no evidence other than the fact that the police were there.

No, we're comparing the conflicting reactions of our Secretary of State denouncing the suppression of free speech of the individuals who acted provocatively towards the Orthodox Church, and then, less than a month later, denouncing the expression of free speech by the individual acting provocatively towards Islam.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

The newest page didn't load and my fancy-pants cold medicine kept me from even noticing. I am with you now.

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Actually, we're suffering through Nitefox's usual myopia. I notice how he conveniently left off the very next sentence in Clinton's comments about the anti-muslim video.

Yes, her own statement was very conflicted, itself. So much for sending a strong, coherent message to the world that we value free speech and don't sympathize with the violent terrorists.

She did denounce the violence, but in the same breath as "but really, we do understand why you're upset."

Apparently, we don't understand why Orthodox adherents in Russia are upset.

And that's the contrast.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

There *is* a major difference between the Pussy Riot thing, and the Idiot Movie thing.

Pussy Riot was jailed by the government for the thing they did for 2 years. Islam Movie Guy will probably face no charges relating directly to the movie thing.

Noone's rioting in Russia and blowing up embassies over Pussy Riot.

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Holy shitsnacks!

So the message our difference in reaction sends is that Free Speech is awesome and shouldn't be restricted unless the offended people riot and kill State officials, in which case we get very cross and disapproving of the people exercising the Free Speech?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

FTFY

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Holy shitsnacks!

anyone else find it at all ironic that Nitefox is railing against institutions who would impede free speech when such speech is used to denigrate another religion.....and the fact that LadyKate asked the thread that poked fun at her religion be locked by the administrators of this board?

I think LK would have been just fine with the Jesus posts moving to a thread in Hellfire.

Free Speech has boundaries, and there are rules about posting on this site.

Hey creepshow, leave LK out of it ok? If she comes in here and comments, make a statment. If she doesn't, leave her out of it.(plus the fact that you are talking out of your ***)

And I'm not railing against anything. I see/percieve a double standard by the dems and libs, something that you guys are really good at. That's all I'm pointing out. It's no surprise you are doing what you can to not see any of this as a big deal, or at least the potential of it being a big deal. As always with libs like you and Aizle, as long as it's your team doing it...it's ok. Consistancy not being your strong suit.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Nitefox != LadyKate

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Hey elitist prick...you don't have to suffer through anything. There is an ignore feature or you can choose not to read anything I post. I didn't conveniently leave off anything...I copied what I read.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

Since this board is a private site run on the internet, and has nothing to do with freedom of speech as a practical matter or as a matter of principle, no.

If you come over to my house, you better expect not to be making fun of Jesus, either, even though I think this filmmaker was perfectly within his rights to make this film, just as it was within the Onion's rights to make their silly picture. There is absolutely nothing wrong with private people, organizations, or companies exercising self-censorship, nor is it hypocritical if someone asks them to.

If LK had made a complaint with the FCC to get the thread locked, that would have been hypocritical.



This too. Just because they're married doesn't make them the same person. Foamy also =! Oonagh, and just because Corolinth and Shuyung are brothers does not mean its ok to attribute the opinions of one to the other.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I thought they were a same-sex couple?

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Does anyone actually know if he was arrested, if so what he was charged with, or if he was taken into protective custody for some reason? "Descended on" is just a dramatic way of saying they went to his house. I haven't seen anything yet that actually says one way or the other.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I honestly can't tell of you're serious or not.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Oh good! I was hoping Nitefox would return to name calling. Leave that stuff on the playground.

I for one am all for free speech. I've got plenty of gripes with the current administration. I think some of their actions over the years are absolutely deplorable. You don't necessarily see me comment here when such subjects goes up, because anything I say just gets lost in the noise of "you Con's", but when you and your cohorts go off the deep end with little-to-no information I occasionally get the urge to throw pearls before swine and inject a little bit of sanity into the discussion.

As for the rest:

Its still a case of Person A is offended by something Person B said, unrelated to person A except that person A happens to believe in said thing.
Person A goes to the administration and asks the offending thing that was said be silenced.

In the case we're debating, the Gov't went to Youtube and asked them to investigate the video. They have not ordered it be taken down, (though YouTube made it private I believe) nor have they filed charges of any kind against the film makers.

No one in the US Gov't has acted in a way that was in any way against our principles that I have seen. Its been handled by private organizations (Youtube/Google) and the Gov't has investigated and stepped up security.


There are NO reports to the contrary (though there could be somewhere, if you find them please post them) but until then, you're screaming foul where there is none.


And for the record, I don't think LK or Moohkow did anything wrong. Private site, private individuals. Same deal. Not the call I would have made, but again, private board.