The Glade 4.0

This is a screwy analogy, but saying you like Android (devices) is like saying you like Sports Cars, whereas saying you like Apple (devices) is like saying you like Jaguar XJ's.

There are a lot of options with android. You can make your decision based on your current provider, and choose from many options/features/performance, etc.. With iPhone, you are limited in your provider choice (less so now with Sprint on board), and you have exactly ONE choice.

What I find totally mind boggling is the people who would stand in line and pay exhorbitant amounts of money for that ONE device, even if it was a turnip, as long as it has an Apple logo on it.

Eh, with pretty much every Apple product I've bought I've felt **** on at some point or another. There's usually something they do that really pisses me off. But then when the time comes around to buy another gadget or whatever, I swallow my pride and buy another iThingy because it's still the best out there. But it's never a pleasant experience.

Rumor confirmed, iTurnip coming this Christmas!

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What's funny, Mus, is that your blind love for Android [and hatred of anything else] far surpasses anything the Apple fans here have to say about competing products. We're the sheep though. BAHHHHHHHHH. I hope someday I can love a fragmented ecosystem on a bunch of shitty hardware too.

See, sorry but A) 'best' is subjective (best at what, exactly?), and B), if it's bad experience, why keep going back? Do you hate yourself? It just encourages them to continue charging people a lot of money to give them a bad experience...

Only $499!

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Holy shitsnacks!

Arafys, you are holding your turnip wrong. For an extra $30 I will sell you a case that allows you to hold the turnip in that manner without screwing up it's functionality though.

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Heh, there is a lot of shitty android hardware out there to be sure. Hell, I inflicted a Droid 3 on myself about a year ago

I'm quite happy with my SGS3 though.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I've owned my share of Android devices, and been more impressed with exactly zero of them than comparable Apple devices. Honestly, I'm hard-pressed to even find where they excel compared to literally anything I care about in a device. Some of them may have better specs on paper, but what does that matter, when I find apps run better (more smoothly) on iOS devices than on their Android counterparts? I find the UI and UX to be immeasurably better on iOS devices than on comparable Android devices, and that includes speed of use, quality of available apps, hardware build quality, and a host of aesthetic criteria. That's why I use Apple products; and as far as getting excited about new Apple products, well...time and again the company has proven to me that it makes good choices with its devices. It's like a new Pixar film being announced: given my history of consumption of the company's other offerings, why wouldn't I be excited? Sure, it might turn out to be Cars, but more often than not it's another Finding Nemo or Toy Story 3.

Or, in the case of the iPhone 5 it could be Cars 2.

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Holy shitsnacks!

phones have ecosystems?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

OSes do.

I realize by definition they shouldn't be referred to as ecosystems but that's generally the preferred nomenclature for Android/Apple [and soon to be Microsoft] marketplaces.

That reminds me, game developers have been coming out against Windows 8

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2 ... -windows-8

/edit: As the resident Windows 8 guy, why? What is Microsoft proposing? An App Store as the sole means to get software for Win8?

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Amazing.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

People are basically just mad that Microsoft has created their own app store. It's irrelevant in the long run, because anyone can still just go to a website, download an .exe and install any program they want. Being "certified" just means that you can show your app in the store. Also (I guess this could be more relevant), all MS Store applications need to be Metro style.

The biggest reason Gabe Newell is so against Win8 is because the Store is a threat to Steam. Why would a consumer buy a game from Steam when they could get the same game from the MS Store and also have it tie into their XBL?

Why? Its kinda fitting. Especially now that there's tablets and other doodads that use apps.

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Holy shitsnacks!

This.

And, I find them to be much longer lasting/perform better with worse specs than any of my other devices.

Other than my wonderful, wonderful Nokia 6010 phone, nothing I've had has lasted as long without showing any real signs of wear as my apple products. It's why I'm always comfortable buying a last generation refurb for 30% or more off. Works great, and will continue to do so for quite some time.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

I find the term rather grandiose.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The notion that Apple produces a quality product that consumers are happy with is foreign to a lot of people. They see the technical specs of other devices, and think Apple must be overcharging. What they fail to recognize is that Apple's products are durable. See the drop test. It costs money to make a product durable. It can cost just as much, and in a lot of cases more money to make something durable than to make it fast.

You know the reason why Apple were the whipping boys in the 90s? Developers! Developers! Developers! Well, now Apple's got them, and the other companies don't. Considering how much we once mocked Apple, it's a very bitter pill to swallow to think they might have released a competitive product. It's much easier to jump up and down and flap our jaws about blind sheep.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

My experience has been exactly opposite.

I've owned an iPad, and I have access to and use every handset on planet earth (including every iteration of every iPhone) as part of my job, and there is nothing preferable to me about any of the iDevices. Surely there are some apps that run on them that are interesting.. but there is a lot more about the various android platforms I've owned that makes them far more attractive to me. Price, features, options, etc... everything about the android environment is preferable to me. It's come a long long way since the first devices, and it is only going to get better.

"I like it better" and other similar subjective reasons are really the only argument you can make in favor of Apples devices.

I think Newell is less ticked off about having competition in a Microsoft Store.

He's ticked off that he had to claw, fight, and earn every user who has signed up for Steam, and Microsoft will instantly get an install base just by people running setup on their new Windows 8 hardware. It's Internet Explorer vs. Netscape all over again.

If it were a matter of Valve having to compete based on features, value, and community, Newell would care no more than he does about Origin or GoG. Steam is competitive. But it's not just about that. It's about convenience and awareness, too, and Microsoft is leveraging their dominant OS market share to create that in their favor in order to compete with many of the content producers that have helped Microsoft build and retain that market share in the first place.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I do find it funny that users of the posterboy for OS fragmentation (a far more serious complication) are complaining about the first peripheral change in five years for a device that they don't even use.

Im not sure i understand your point. Are you saying that miniusb isnt usb because it doesnt look like standard usb, physically?

okay, to beat on android a bit here... and this is coming from a Fandroid...

I am on T-Mobile and say I get a Galaxy S3, Mus is on Verizon and has a Galaxy S3...

my stupid **** software load will be completely different from his stupid **** software load.

Just today I went to make sure I had all of my aps up to date and that is where I noticed T-Mobile shoving another piece of software to my device that I do not want. Some music store BS.

As far as I know... I go to buy an iPhone and regardless of what the carrier is, you can expect basically the same apps to be loaded can't you? or is that violated by the carriers too?

My problem with Android is people saying "well you need to root the device in order to make it really usable."

Bull-effing-crap... I bought a device to be usable, and much like my video games, a mod should not be required to use it the way it is intended to be used.

sorry, I am rambling again.

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Darksiege
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