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It's between Bank of America with it's destroying the economy and EA with it's destroying gaming.


http://consumerist.com/2013/04/08/worst-company-in-america-final-death-match-bank-of-america-vs-ea-part-ii/

If you haven't seen the detestable letter from their COO in response to them being in the final round, again, it's worth a read, if only to shake your head and laugh.

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POSTED BY Peter Moore ON Apr 5, 2013
We Can Do Better

The tallest trees catch the most wind.

That’s an expression I frequently use when asked to defend EA’s place in the gaming industry. And it comes to mind again this week as we get deeper into the brackets of an annual Web poll to name the “Worst Company in America.”

This is the same poll that last year judged us as worse than companies responsible for the biggest oil spill in history, the mortgage crisis, and bank bailouts that cost millions of taxpayer dollars. The complaints against us last year were our support of SOPA (not true), and that they didn’t like the ending to Mass Effect 3.

This year’s contest started in March with EA outpolling a company which organizers contend is conspiring to corner the world market on mid-priced beer, and (gulp) allegedly waters down its product. That debate takes place in bars – our audience lives on the Internet. So no surprise that we drew more votes there.

Let me cut to the chase: it appears EA is going to “win.” Like the Yankees, Lakers and Manchester United, EA is one of those organizations that is defined by both a legacy of success, and a legion of critics (especially me regarding all three of those teams).

Are we really the “Worst Company in America?” I’ll be the first to admit that we’ve made plenty of mistakes. These include server shut downs too early, games that didn’t meet expectations, missteps on new pricing models and most recently, severely fumbling the launch of SimCity. We owe gamers better performance than this.

Some of these complaints are 100 percent legitimate – like all large companies we are not perfect. But others just don’t hold water:

Many continue to claim the Always-On function in SimCity is a DRM scheme. It’s not. People still want to argue about it. We can’t be any clearer – it’s not. Period.
Some claim there’s no room for Origin as a competitor to Steam. 45 million registered users are proving that wrong.
Some people think that free-to-play games and micro-transactions are a pox on gaming. Tens of millions more are playing and loving those games.
We’ve seen mailing lists that direct people to vote for EA because they disagree with the choice of the cover athlete on Madden NFL. Yes, really…
In the past year, we have received thousands of emails and postcards protesting against EA for allowing players to create LGBT characters in our games. This week, we’re seeing posts on conservative web sites urging people to protest our LGBT policy by voting EA the Worst Company in America.
That last one is particularly telling. If that’s what makes us the worst company, bring it on. Because we're not caving on that.

We are committed to fixing our mistakes. Over the last three weeks, 900,000 SimCity players took us up on a free game offer for their troubles. We owed them that. We’re constantly listening to feedback from our players, through our Customer Experience group, Twitter, this blog, or other sites. The feedback is vital, and impacts the decisions we make.

I expect the debate will include a lot of comments under this post. But here’s the truth: each year EA interacts with more than 350 million gamers; Origin is breaking records for revenue and users; The Simpsons: Tapped Out and Real Racing 3 are at the top of the mobile charts; Battlefield 3 and FIFA are stunning achievements with tens of millions of players; and SimCity is being enjoyed by millions of passionate fans all over the world.

Every day, millions of people across globe play and love our games – literally, hundreds of millions more than will vote in this contest.

So here’s my response to this poll: We can do better. We will do better. But I am damn proud of this company, the people around the globe who work at EA, the games we create and the people that play them.

The tallest trees catch the most wind. At EA we remain proud and unbowed.


Here's the dissection of his reply on consumerist:

http://consumerist.com/2013/04/05/ea-admits-it-can-do-better-but-blames-worst-company-success-on-homophobes-and-whiny-madden-fans/

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EA Admits It “Can Do Better” But Blames Worst Company Success On Homophobes And Whiny Madden Fans
By Chris Morran April 5, 2013
Video game giant EA is on the precipice of having a chance to repeat as grand champion in the Worst Company In America tournament, so one might think this would be a time for EA to make nice with the customers who feel like they are being mistreated. And in an EA.com blog post, Chief Operating Officer Peter Moore does admit to mistakes and promise to “do better.” But, for reasons we can’t even begin to fathom, he didn’t stop there.

SHRUGGING OFF CONCERNS
In his statement, Mr. Moore begins by questioning the merit of Consumerist readers’ opinions on what constitutes a “worst company.”
“This is the same poll that last year judged us as worse than companies responsible for the biggest oil spill in history,” writes Moore. He’s obviously referencing the 2011 champ BP, except BP wasn’t even in the bracket last year. In response to Moore’s statement, we’d like to take a moment to explain that our “Worst Company in America” contest exists within the context of this website, which is about consumers and their relationship to the marketplace and to businesses. Just to be clear: The point of this contest, now in its 8th year, is to enable consumers to send a message to a company that provides goods or services to them. Winning this contest means your customers are trying to tell you something. And that something is that you, out of all the companies, most deserve a plastic poop trophy.
Mr. Moore continues, “The complaints against us last year were our support of SOPA (not true), and that they didn’t like the ending to Mass Effect 3.”

REALITY CHECK
Actually, our analysis of the reasons for EA’s inclusion in last year’s finale makes no mention of Mass Effect 3 or SOPA. Instead, it looks at EA’s history of buying up smaller, successful developers with the intention of milking — and arguably ruining — the intellectual properties that made these acquired companies so attractive. It also discusses EA’s exclusivity deals on popular sports games, that some say effectively sets the bar for retail prices for the rest of the gaming industry.
Then there’s the issue of microtransactions, in-game purchases that EA has made no secret are at the center of its business model. Many customers believe that EA’s view of microtransactions isn’t to simply charge customers a little bit of money for something that is additional, but not integral, to the core game, but rather to put out broken or deliberately incomplete games with the ultimate goal of selling add-on content that should have been included in the $60 price tag to begin with.
In today’s post, Moore contends that microtransactions are okey-dokey because “tens of millions” of people are enjoying EA’s free-to-play games that include microtransactions. We’d counter that just because people are allowing you to nickel-and-dime them it doesn’t mean you should be doing it.
And since Moore brought up Mass Effect 3, let’s take a brief look at that problematic title. Eager to cash in on a hugely successful franchise, EA rushed out the third and final installment of the series in 2012. Many users had spent years playing Mass Effect and developing a history and connections with other characters that carry through all three games, that is until the very end, which landed with a mammoth, unsatisfying thud for an awful lot of people who had paid nearly $200 (or more) for these games.
By all appearances, this wasn’t a case of a movie director having a different vision from his/her audience, or a novelist choosing to take a story off in an unexpected direction. For many people, it felt like having the plug pulled on a really good concert just as their favorite song was getting started, and it reeked of being a business decision on EA’s part, rather than a complete artistic disaster like, *cough* the finale of Lost.
We wonder how Moore would feel if he spent at least $180 on something that failed to deliver what it had been promising for years?
In the end, EA effectively admitted ME3 was incomplete when it released a “extended cut” ending to mollify the angry crowd.

SHIFTING THE BLAME
Moore even admits that EA has made some pretty bad boners in recent years:
I’ll be the first to admit that we’ve made plenty of mistakes. These include server shut downs too early, games that didn’t meet expectations, missteps on new pricing models and most recently, severely fumbling the launch of SimCity. We owe gamers better performance than this.
As for more recent accusations, Moore tries to shrug off the always-online requirement for SimCity 5 that not only made the game unplayable (because EA didn’t have the foresight to think people might want to play the game after they bought it), but also pissed off a lot of people who felt that it was an invasive form of digital rights management (DRM) that assumes users are trying to play pirated versions of the game.
“Many continue to claim the Always-On function in SimCity is a DRM scheme,” writes Moore. “It’s not. People still want to argue about it. We can’t be any clearer – it’s not. Period.”
Actually, you could be clearer. Make it optional and maybe people will believe you.
And then there is this:
“We’ve seen mailing lists that direct people to vote for EA because they disagree with the choice of the cover athlete on Madden NFL,” writes Moore. “Yes, really.”
Really? Show us. Because while readers certainly complained about the declining quality of Madden, not a single person griped to us about the player(s) on the box cover.
Regardless, all of these concerns are apparently not the real reason that EA is once again heading toward a possible WCIA victory. No, says Moore, it’s homophobia.
Yes. Homophobia.

WAIT. WHAT?
Moore contends that EA’s decision to allow users to create lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered (LGBT) characters in some of its games has resulted in a voting campaign orchestrated by those opposed to portrayals of LGBT characters in games:
“In the past year, we have received thousands of emails and postcards protesting against EA for allowing players to create LGBT characters in our games. This week, we’re seeing posts on conservative web sites urging people to protest our LGBT policy by voting EA the Worst Company in America.”
If there is such a campaign, the people involved in it have not reached out to us, nor have we seen evidence of this traffic to our pages. While any number of tech and video game sites and forums have been writing about and linking to the WCIA polls (here’s lookin’ at you /v/), our analytics show absolutely no incoming traffic from anything we’d label as political, let alone conservative.
EA received hundreds of nominations from Consumerist readers this year, by far the most of any contender in the bracket, but not a single one mentioned anything about sexual orientation. Consumerist does not condone homophobia or hate speech of any kind, and our readers understand the Worst Company contest and nominate businesses based on their merits.

BLOWN OPPORTUNITY
In coming out and responding to its previous win — and possible repeat victory — EA had the opportunity to show the gaming community the respect it deserves, but instead has insulted its intelligence by asking it to accept that its quite obvious faults are really just minor problems and that the actual source of trouble are faceless, homophobic hatemongers.
A sampling of gamers’ reactions to Moore’s post indicate to us that EA has only done itself a disservice by trying to pin its own high-profile problems on homophobia and whiny gamers. These people are EA’s customers.
Writes Joystiq commenter paladriver:
I don’t dislike EA because they are pro-LGBT. In fact I am supporter of LGBT rights. I dislike EA because they have a long standing history of anti-consumer practices. Not liking EA does not make me anti-LGBT, it makes me anti-EA.
On the same story, reader HeavyAttack adds:
“Trying to claim that the people who voted for them are simply homophobes is a bit sleazy. I didn’t vote because it’s a meaningless poll, and all companies are evil, but EA has done plenty of shitty things, and it seems like voting them the worst company in America is the only way to get them to acknowledge those things. That, however, still puts them ahead of other companies. They at least acknowledged that they **** up.”
GoodNewsJimDotCom writes on Slashdot:
“I think it is pretty sinister for him to dredge up “US vs THEM” protesting in his “apology.” Remember, one thing EA does is to hire fake protestors to get controversy for their game! Stay classy EA. Even in your apologies, you ooze evil.”
And then there’s Xdeser2 who comments on this Escapist story:
NO EA! You do not get to Spin the story and take the Moral high ground on this ****! Don’t try to fool people by lumping these intolerant assholes with the people actually making legitimate complaints against your practices. You don’t get to try to make yourself look progressive like that.

GETTING NO RESPECT
Gaming might be a multibillion-dollar industry that attracts the world’s biggest names in entertainment, music, and sports, but it is nonetheless treated by both the media and the business world with a reductionist shrug. Companies like EA are happy to foster the misinformed perception of your average “gamer” as a whiny, nitpicky loner who will complain about anything, as that image only helps to discredit those who have a valid complaint about a relatively pricey consumer product.
Here’s our question to Peter Moore: If your entire industry is engaged in the production of something so trivial as to not warrant inclusion in a contest that features a poop trophy, why do you even work in it?


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I must say, I find the EA President's letter vastly more convincing than this other guy's. Basically, he's admitting "worst company in America" has more to do with internet whining than actual consequences for the company. As for his claims that there are no homophobes... yeah, no one would ever object to a game because it had LGBT characters! Remember folks, homophobes don't ever play video games or use the internet.

Yeah, OK, EA might very well be the worst software company in America or the worst video game company, but worst company? Yeah.. not buying it. They're making video games. Gamers are notoriously whiny, and yes, I firmly beleive there are plenty of people out there that would ***** about which athlete was on the cover of Madden.

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On Sim City's online requirement not being a DRM scheme, and EA explicitly stating for the umpteenth time that it isn't a DRM scheme:

Bullshit. It is a DRM scheme, and you're either lying to your customers, or stupid.

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They can be. The point is there are no other options but those two.

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Especially considering the hacked offline version of Sim City has the same gameplay as the online version...

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Yep. Origin as a REQUIREMENT for PC games (in combination with pulling their library from Steam), all the simcity ridiculousness, and now, THIS fun crap -

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/real-racing-3-is-a-brilliant-game-crippled-by-eas-greed

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First, the game forces you to wait when you upgrade your car. The first upgrade I bought for in-game cash took two minutes to install in my car. Or I could pay gold to get the parts instantly. There is no game play reason to make upgrades take time to add to your car; this was done simply to get gold out of the player. You can always buy more gold after all. Your car will suffer from wear and tear in the course of normal racing, even if you don’t take much damage, and those repairs also take time. Because the most fun you can have in a game is paying money to end a needless wait.

“To earn enough money to buy every car in Real Racing 3, what would it take? Our numbers show that it would take over 472 hours to earn enough money to buy all of the cars in the game. Or to purchase all of the cars with real money via in-app purchase, it would cost $503.22 at the current best rate,” an article in 148apps explained. That is the amount of time and resources it would take to get to 100 percent in the game. You could buy an Xbox 360 and a PS3 for the money it would take to see all that Real Racing 3 has to offer.


This is a mobile game on android and ipad. Are you serious?

I agree, they're not the worst company in America. Many, many other companies do things so much more horrible and devastating to the world and it's people. They are, however, a prime example of the worst practices of a gaming company run amok.


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Except the title is not for the company that's doing the most damage to the world or the people in it. It's for the company that's treating their consumers the worst.

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I agree, they're not the worst company in America. Many, many other companies do things so much more horrible and devastating to the world and it's people. They are, however, a prime example of the worst practices of a gaming company run amok.


Exactly. The "Worst company in America" thing is well beyond merely "melodramatic". No matter how bad they are, nothing changes the fact that video games are an entertainment/luxury item. To find a worse company, look no further than the Wal Mart thread in Rants.

Or how about the BP thing? "Well, BP was on in 2011 and obviously EA's president is pulling shennanigans by referring to 'last year' (2012)!".

Well, maybe he is pulling shennanigans. But I don't blame him. Major oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico resulting in several deaths, and billions of dollars in damage and cleanup? Ok, you get it for that year. Obnoxious DRM schemes and butchering gaming IPs? YEAR AFTER YEAR IN A ROW PURE EVIL WORST COMPANY EVAHHH RARRRRR!

The few paragraphs are especially funny. Pure evil? Moral high ground? Sinister? Progressive? Ok guys, you just have your fun. Then we get the best part. Why do you work in gaming if you think its trivial? Well, the same reason people work in sports, music, and entertainment that were just mentioned in the same paragraph. They enjoy it and there's money in it. Everyone doesn't have to work in some world-changing major economic enterprise, or doing something that addresses major needs and problems. That doesn't change the fact that "Worst Company in America" is an incredible aggrandizement of the complaints of gamers compared to society as a whole.

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Except the title is not for the company that's doing the most damage to the world or the people in it. It's for the company that's treating their consumers the worst.


If that's the case, "Worst company in America" is entirely wrong, and in any case, I don't think one would have to look far to find companies doing worse.

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If that's the case, "Worst company in America" is entirely wrong, and in any case, I don't think one would have to look far to find companies doing worse.

Correction the title is "Worst Company In America - per the Consumerist". JD Powers and Associates as well as the Better Business Bureau also have their own worst ranked company lists as do several other opinion/polling groups. I'd bet PETA and Greepeace put out their own too. Don't blame the publisher if the reader doesn't check their source and criteria used.

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From Twitter: "EA wins the Worst Company in America for the second year in a row, proving that no one pays attention to actual real life, important things."


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Darkroland wrote:
Yep. Origin as a REQUIREMENT for PC games[...]


Which is why the COO quoting the Origin subscribership as being a barometer of how well they're doing is particularly hilarious. I guarantee Origin participation follows directly in line with overall sales of EA products, whereas Steam has (I'm sure) more users than Valve ever sold of Half-Life.

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Yeah, I have Steam, and I've never played Half Life.

Whereas I have Origin only because of TOR.

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Hmmm.. I have TOR, but do not have an Origin account...

Did I miss some fun?


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Hmmm.. I have TOR, but do not have an Origin account...

Did I miss some fun?

You do have an Origin account. Prior to TOR's release, they quietly merged all EA game accounts with Origin accounts, creating Origin accounts as necessary.

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Now that I think about it, I must have an Origin account. That is the only way to get the Security FOB for TOR.

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I think there's something wrong with anyone that honestly considers EA anything near one of the "worst" companies in America. 'Skee's tweet quote pretty much sums it up.


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Because its not worst company for human rights violations or worst company for environmental protection. It's worst company in terms of how customers are treated. Going on about how there are other businesses committing genocide in Tibet doesn't make you a voice of reason in amidst a swirl of hostility, it just makes you a tool who can't read an article.

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Because its not worst company for human rights violations or worst company for environmental protection. It's worst company in terms of how customers are treated. Going on about how there are other businesses committing genocide in Tibet doesn't make you a voice of reason in amidst a swirl of hostility, it just makes you a tool who can't read an article.


No, it doesn't. It's "Worst company" period. That's the name of the "award". Talking about how that really means something else makes you a self-important nimrod.

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Because its not worst company for human rights violations or worst company for environmental protection. It's worst company in terms of how customers are treated. Going on about how there are other businesses committing genocide in Tibet doesn't make you a voice of reason in amidst a swirl of hostility, it just makes you a tool who can't read an article.


No, it doesn't. It's "Worst company" period. That's the name of the "award". Talking about how that really means something else makes you a self-important nimrod.

Quit trolling, sorry you failed to take into account the source of the feedback and the criteria used before you jumped on your high-horse.

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Quit trolling, sorry you failed to take into account the source of the feedback and the criteria used before you jumped on your high-horse.


The "criteria used" resulted in BP being selected in 2011, which had everything to do with a fatal environmental disaster, and nothing to do with customer treatment. In other words, the criteria isn't "customer treatment", it's "whatever provokes nerd rage on the internet at the time of the poll."

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“This is the same poll that last year judged us as worse than companies responsible for the biggest oil spill in history,” writes Moore. He’s obviously referencing the 2011 champ BP, except BP wasn’t even in the bracket last year.


Yeah, clearly it was customer treatment that resulted in BP being selected, and not the huge oil spill and the explosion that killed people, nor the continuing flow of oil from the broken well that had people seriously discussing using a nuclear bomb to stop it. Must be how they treat the guy at the pump. :roll:

So, you can stop making up accusations of "trolling" to cover up the fact that this **** has obviously moved the goalposts since 2011 to make the criteria something that justifies selecting EA as "Worst Company in America". EA may very well be the worst game company ever, but that doesn't change the fact that this award and this organization are using them as a punching bag, and making pretty pathetic claims (no homophobes here! nope, never on t3h 1ntrAwebZ!) to do it.

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Quit trolling, sorry you failed to take into account the source of the feedback and the criteria used before you jumped on your high-horse.


The "criteria used" resulted in BP being selected in 2011, which had everything to do with a fatal environmental disaster, and nothing to do with customer treatment. In other words, the criteria isn't "customer treatment", it's "whatever provokes nerd rage on the internet at the time of the poll."

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“This is the same poll that last year judged us as worse than companies responsible for the biggest oil spill in history,” writes Moore. He’s obviously referencing the 2011 champ BP, except BP wasn’t even in the bracket last year.


Yeah, clearly it was customer treatment that resulted in BP being selected, and not the huge oil spill and the explosion that killed people, nor the continuing flow of oil from the broken well that had people seriously discussing using a nuclear bomb to stop it. Must be how they treat the guy at the pump. :roll:


Your highlighting of BP as the "Worst Company In America" further invalidates your argument that the title is meaningful since they are British.

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Your highlighting of BP as the "Worst Company In America" further invalidates your argument that the title is meaningful since they are British.


I'm not the one that selected them. BP was the company that won this same award in 2011. See the quote in my previous post. By your argument, they invalidated their own award. You're being absurd.

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Sadly this lacks the most vile company of them all, Monsanto, but it's hilarious none the less:

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