The Glade 4.0

Can you appeal the decision?

Would your Doc write you note stating you need it for your health issues?

If no then, you probably need to bare moving or resign. You don't want an insubordination on your work record so young. Don't gamble over it.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I haven't spoken to my Doc in a year. I guess it's possible. I don't really feel like it though.

There's no "decision" yet, it seems like my manager and I have entered into a stalemate.

I'd sit in a cupboard and/or sweep the parking lot with a whisk broom if my boss wanted.

Then I'd find other employment.

You're making a stand without a leg to stand on, Lex. The laws of physic are against you. I'm of the mind that if someone's going to be surprised that I will be leaving in two weeks, it would be better for it to be them that's surprised, than me.

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In time, this too shall pass.

What you don't realise Lex is that this world is small, very small. What you do today, not only impacts you and your manager, but also anyone else who may be within ear shot of this issue. This includes anyone your manager decides to gossip with. The funny story of "you'll never guess what a stubborn employee I had did... " turns into "oh whats his name, so I can void him next time"... and before you know it, your name rings a negative bell to those who hear it.

It may not cause an impact now, but all you need is 1 person who've heard your name attached with that negative connotation to review your resume at a later date and remember "I heard something bad about this person once, can't recall what exactly .. but meh" to put your application to a dream job into a maybe pile rather than the YES!.

Depending on your aspirations, being stubborn early may be detrimental to you taking over the world one day.

When someone is going to take something of value from me without a legitimate cause, I will be very very stubborn. I am ok with crashing and burning (career-wise) if someone else made the choice to be irrational. Maybe I'm just not the right kind of person to be a software engineer. If so, then oh well. I'm not going to change my core belief systems because of peer pressure.

They have a legitimate cause. They want you to sit with the rest of your team.

Its nice that you're secure enough that you can throw your career away on a whim.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Liking a cubicle with a window = "core belief system"?

It sounds as though the manager is trying to move you in order to facilitate team cohesiveness. You're refusing out of childishness and selfishness. Were I your manager, the decision would be easy. You're threatening the company goals with your refusal.

They are taking something away from me for no apparent reason. I don't let people do this to me unless my life is on the line. In fact they are the ones who are being childish, in my opinion.



Replace Agamemnon with my manager... similar situation... maybe I am doomed to be unemployed and a waste of a person forever.

No, they have a reason. You refuse to acknowledge it because you'd rather stomp your feet and have a tantrum.

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Holy shitsnacks!

They don't have a reason that follows logic.

Yes they do.

They're moving the team together. Everyone needs to be sitting in the same general area. Therefore, you need to move.

Seems pretty logical to me. But you need to be a special snowflake and keep sitting by a window.

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Holy shitsnacks!

It's not logical, because there are many people in the company who work remotely and never even show up to work. Additionally, I'm still on the same floor as the rest of the team.

There are many teams here where different members are sitting very far away from each other. I would not stand out and be a special snowflake in this respect.



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They are legally entitled to rob me of my cubicle, but it will be at the cost of my employment. I am betting they won't take it that far, but we'll see. I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

I won it fair and square in an office lottery.

They're not "robbing" you of anything.

Are you seriously going to quit your job if they move you to another cube?

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Holy shitsnacks!

They are unfairly taking away window spot without a legitimate reason. They are robbing me of something I value.

And I am not quitting over this. It will be their decision to let me go.

Claustrophobia

Look it up. This is what is wrong with you. You have issues with being in a cube and having the window helps. Get your shrink to sign off on it if you have to.

Otherwise...quit being a ***** and do the right thing.

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Raell Kromwell

No, they are taking away something of negligible value to you in order to facilitate a move toward something of legitimate value for the company. As Mus said, they have a reason. You simply don't like it, and are throwing a tantrum over it.

The right thing here is to stay in my cube, or be fired and find a new job. I can't work in a place where people steal from me.

No. The *right* thing for you to do is what your manager asks you to do. If they want you to move, you move.

If you don't like that, you quit and get a job somewhere else.

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Holy shitsnacks!

If my manager told me to jump off a bridge, I'd say no. Likewise I won't give up my window location for a bad reason.

They don't need a "good" reason. You have been asked to move to go sit with the rest of your team.

That's all the reason you need.

I got moved from an office to a cube at an escrow company I worked for. That afternoon, I started looking in earnest for another job. I'm familiar with the issue, but you don't have a leg to stand on.

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Holy shitsnacks!

If they want to fire me over this, then that's their choice.

Lex, I do not believe an office job is suitable if you're the type to believe in individual accompolishment (regardless of the method, e.g. lottery) above group goals. This is not limited to software engineering or any specific department...

I would investigate into new ventures with yourself as the owner, by doing this early you may succeed and be come exceptional. Unfortunately employment suits you ill.

Well maybe they will let me keep my job. I enjoy working with the team, but I don't need to sit with them to do this.

I can see Lex's point of view here. The only incentive in most corporate cultures for individual contributors are trinkets and pay; take away trinkets and people become listless. It happened where I worked. First engineers had overtime pay during scheduled refueling outages reduced to straight time and then reduced to only hours over 45 vice 40. Free lunches were no longer issued during outages. The engineering parking spot of the month was removed. Engineers were substituted for rad pro techs in the emergency response organization requiring unpaid on call duty for one week (must remain in a 50 minute radius of the plant and remain fit for duty 24/7) every 5 weeks so they didn't have to pay to RP techs. Etc.

In the modern corporate culture where senior managers are eager to disseminate poorly implemented solutions to corporate directives using faulty metrics to gauge success, the individual contributor is increasingly bombared with worthless busy work and adminstrative burden as a result. He participates less and less in those exciting problem solving opportunities that so many companies market their employment with. Thus, he relies on the few incentives before him to motivate him enough to keep his job: trinkets and his paycheck.

For someone like Lex, similar to myself, we have no financial obligations such as a mortgage or family to support. My 401K or pension or personal savings can already cover my only financial obligation (student loans) several times over. My education essentially paid for itself already. Rather than deal with increasing and incessant bullshit, I'd rather work a trade job where I at least get some satisfaction for a hard day's work rather than coming home at the end of the day and wondering exactly what the **** I'm doing with my life.

Money, one of the two motivating tools the modern corporate culture has along with trinkets, is becoming a diminishing incentive in an inflationary environment and in a world which has attempted to unsuccessfully commoditize happiness. This makes trinkets increasingly important. Exactly how much team cohesiveness is gained by sitting in proximity to one another in a job which is abstract and idea driven as software engineering? Yes, his manager has the duty to enforce such an environment at his discretion but the point is he likely isn't doing it because it will facilitate teamwork and performance but rather to establish himself as a candidate to be driven up through the corporate pipeline. He likely has his sights set on becoming one of those buzzword slinging clueless idiots manning his turret in the senior management **** idea factory. No I don't know that for a fact, but the odds are in my favor.

At any rate, everyone is technically correct that Lex should just STFU and do as he's told for the sake of his employment. I just am pointing out why he may not only not be motivated to do so but why he may be motivated to actively not do so.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

The above is all correct. Very articulately stated. My net worth is about 200k and I'm 26. I have no loans or family to support. I enjoy working, and I don't plan on retiring until I'm at an old age.

I am fine with working in a corporate environment like my current one. But I need to keep my window spot.