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Posted: 9:01 a.m. Tuesday, Aug. 20, 2013
Neighbor's note: Euthanize your autistic son

Newcastle, Ontario —

Shocking, disgusting, neither of those terms may adequately describe an anonymous note the mother of a severly autistic child received recently from one of her neighbors. The mother of the 13-year-old special needs child says the author of the note was upset over the boy's "whaling" when he goes outside to play.

The note contains such horrific lines as "Do the right thing and move or euthanize him!" and researchers should "take whatever non retarded body parts he possesses and donate it to science."

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My only hope is that this is so sensational that it can't be true. At the very least I hope it's just teenage bullying and not an actual breeding adult.

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I suspect that's exactly what it is.

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Posted: 9:01 a.m. Tuesday, Aug. 20, 2013
Neighbor's note: Euthanize your autistic son

Newcastle, Ontario —

Shocking, disgusting, neither of those terms may adequately describe an anonymous note the mother of a severly autistic child received recently from one of her neighbors. The mother of the 13-year-old special needs child says the author of the note was upset over the boy's "whaling" when he goes outside to play.

The note contains such horrific lines as "Do the right thing and move or euthanize him!" and researchers should "take whatever non retarded body parts he possesses and donate it to science."


I think its real. People are all ID and no ego anymore. Theyve developed their social interactions based on the rules of the internet. Think what would happen if a kid was raised thinking hellfire was normal life? Imagine a bunch of Montys everywhere, then imagine a child raised by a Monty and thinking hellfire was normal...... its like Sid 6.7.

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Obviously a disgusting note, but to play Devil's advocate, I have to say that, assuming the letter-writer's description is accurate, having your neighbor's kid frequently wailing in the front yard like that must be pretty unpleasant. I'm not saying kids with those issues should be locked up and hidden from view 24/7, of course, but some consideration for your neighbors is certainly called for. At least a couple of the suggestions in that letter - go to the park or the nature trail instead of leaving him in the front yard and move (if/when possible) to a less densely-populated neighborhood - seem like reasonable courtesies that I would try to take if I was the parent.


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1- this was supposedly in canada... Let them deal with it.
2- IF it were real and IF it were in the US... as hateful and nasty as this may be, it is within the writers 1st amendment rights to say it. It is also within the rights of the community to ostracize the person who wrote it

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Based on the vocabulary used and the references more to the mother of the disabled child rather than the child himself, I'm guessing it was written by an adult.

Sadly, there are some people out there who mistakenly believe they have the right not to be subjected to people they don't want to deal with. Lord, look at some of the online discussions regarding children and airplanes.


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RangerDave wrote:
Obviously a disgusting note, but to play Devil's advocate, I have to say that, assuming the letter-writer's description is accurate, having your neighbor's kid frequently wailing in the front yard like that must be pretty unpleasant. I'm not saying kids with those issues should be locked up and hidden from view 24/7, of course, but some consideration for your neighbors is certainly called for. At least a couple of the suggestions in that letter - go to the park or the nature trail instead of leaving him in the front yard and move (if/when possible) to a less densely-populated neighborhood - seem like reasonable courtesies that I would try to take if I was the parent.


So a child with a disability should not be allowed to just go play in his front yard? Assuming he's on his property, during the day (i.e. no reasonable expectation of quiet hours), what's the problem? This horrible woman is obviously making exceptions for certain types of noise (i.e. music and dogs) but not his noise? What if I decide your music or dog is unpleasant? What if I decide your ugly face is unpleasant?


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I'm continually amazed by society when I shouldn't be.

You think this is new? You think people in previous generations didnt say nasty thing about one another and their offspring in the good old days? No! The only thing different today is we've gotten this idea in our heads that we have a right not to have people say mean things about us.

Is this letter cruel? Yes! Is the author an idiot who butchers the English language? Yes!

However, being the parent of an autistic child doesn't make you one of the unsung heroes of the planet Earth. It just makes you the parent of an autistic child.

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Is the author an idiot who butchers the English language? Yes!

The author also butchered the Spanish language.

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RangerDave wrote:
Obviously a disgusting note, but to play Devil's advocate, I have to say that, assuming the letter-writer's description is accurate, having your neighbor's kid frequently wailing in the front yard like that must be pretty unpleasant. I'm not saying kids with those issues should be locked up and hidden from view 24/7, of course, but some consideration for your neighbors is certainly called for. At least a couple of the suggestions in that letter - go to the park or the nature trail instead of leaving him in the front yard and move (if/when possible) to a less densely-populated neighborhood - seem like reasonable courtesies that I would try to take if I was the parent.

I am with the author through the first paragraph of that letter. Specifically the part of the letter that made it sound like mom just turns the kid lose to howl at the neighbors and neighborhood children unsupervised. The phrase "you put your kid outside every day" as opposed to take your child outside, or come outside with him/her. Etc.

Also isn't autism a disorder that is exacerbated by exposure to large groups of people and open environments?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
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Autism is a disorder of neural development characterized by impaired social interaction and verbal and non-verbal communication, and by restricted, repetitive or stereotyped behavior. The diagnostic criteria require that symptoms become apparent before a child is three years old.[2] Autism affects information processing in the brain by altering how nerve cells and their synapses connect and organize; how this occurs is not well understood.[3] It is one of three recognized disorders in the autism spectrum (ASDs), the other two being Asperger syndrome, which lacks delays in cognitive development and language, and pervasive developmental disorder, not otherwise specified (commonly abbreviated as PDD-NOS), which is diagnosed when the full set of criteria for autism or Asperger syndrome are not met.[4]


From what I recall, as with most psychological disorders, there is a list of symptoms, and typically something like 8 of 12 possible symptoms is sufficient for a diagnosis. So even if some autistic individuals do have problems with groups, not all of them necessarily will. Some children with autism exhibit a fascination and fixation with one particular thing while others may not. Some are severely overstimulated by one sense or another, while others are unaffected--its a poorly understood syndrome, with a lot of potential symptoms.

(For those of you with Netflix, try "Loving Lampposts" if you're curious about the subject.

My experience with autistic children is limited to 2 individuals (including the child that lives two houses down from me and is frequently put 'out to play' like any other child his age, though he is supervised.)


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So a child with a disability should not be allowed to just go play in his front yard? Assuming he's on his property, during the day (i.e. no reasonable expectation of quiet hours), what's the problem? This horrible woman is obviously making exceptions for certain types of noise (i.e. music and dogs) but not his noise? What if I decide your music or dog is unpleasant? What if I decide your ugly face is unpleasant?

I'm not saying the kid should never be allowed to play in his front yard; I'm just saying that if his wailing is a frequent issue when he's outside, then the mother should take steps to limit the inconvenience to her neighbors. And yes, if I was playing loud music outside on a daily basis or my dog was constantly barking, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for my neighbors to find that annoying and inconsiderate of me. In addition, most people really do find certain noises more annoying and out-of-the-ordinary than others. Having my stereo pump out 100-db of Bon Jovi in my backyard might annoy some people, but pumping out 100-db of nails on a chalkboard is undoubtedly worse. I'm gonna guess that a wailing autistic kid is also pretty high on the list of annoying sounds for most people.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
So a child with a disability should not be allowed to just go play in his front yard? Assuming he's on his property, during the day (i.e. no reasonable expectation of quiet hours), what's the problem? This horrible woman is obviously making exceptions for certain types of noise (i.e. music and dogs) but not his noise? What if I decide your music or dog is unpleasant? What if I decide your ugly face is unpleasant?

I'm not saying the kid should never be allowed to play in his front yard; I'm just saying that if his wailing is a frequent issue when he's outside, then the mother should take steps to limit the inconvenience to her neighbors. And yes, if I was playing loud music outside on a daily basis or my dog was constantly barking, I think it would be perfectly reasonable for my neighbors to find that annoying and inconsiderate of me. In addition, most people really do find certain noises more annoying and out-of-the-ordinary than others. Having my stereo pump out 100-db of Bon Jovi in my backyard might annoy some people, but pumping out 100-db of nails on a chalkboard is undoubtedly worse. I'm gonna guess that a wailing autistic kid is also pretty high on the list of annoying sounds for most people.


Fair enough, but you didn't address the ugly face issue. :derp:


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This was all over the news here yesterday. The police looked into it, sought legal advice, and were advised that this does not fall within the unbrella of "Hate Crimes." There's nothing here to charge anyone with, even assuming they had any idea who wrote the letter.

Apparently the boy's mother is wheelchair-bound with multiple sclerosis, just to make the whole thing more fun.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Fair enough, but you didn't address the ugly face issue. :derp:

heh. Well, I'm so shockingly handsome that I assume it wouldn't be a problem. However, I can see people complaining about my 69-year old, morbidly obese aunt who insists on sunbathing with her top off in the (wholly visible from the street) backyard....


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Talya wrote:
Apparently the boy's mother is wheelchair-bound with multiple sclerosis, just to make teh whole thing more fun.

Ah, well in that case, the neighbors can just **** deal, and the letter-writer can go to an even deeper circle of hell at his or her convenience.


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I am highly offended by the flagrant overuse of exclamation marks, personally.

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RangerDave wrote:
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Apparently the boy's mother is wheelchair-bound with multiple sclerosis, just to make teh whole thing more fun.

Ah, well in that case, the neighbors can just **** deal, and the letter-writer can go to an even deeper circle of hell at his or her convenience.


Why does the mother being wheelchair bound have the slightest relevance on her responsibility to police her child?


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I would venture to say that someone stuck in a wheelchair with MS is probably not the best caretaker for an autistic child, as well. Maybe CPS should get involved.


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WTF. There's a lot of "that sucks" in the world, but I swear it is nowhere close to evenly distributed.


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Aizle wrote:
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Apparently the boy's mother is wheelchair-bound with multiple sclerosis, just to make teh whole thing more fun.

Ah, well in that case, the neighbors can just **** deal, and the letter-writer can go to an even deeper circle of hell at his or her convenience.

Why does the mother being wheelchair bound have the slightest relevance on her responsibility to police her child?

Her limited mobility presumably makes it much more difficult for her to take the kid to the park or out on the nature trail that the letter-writer mentioned, so it's more reasonable for her to not take those actions.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Lord, look at some of the online discussions regarding children and airplanes.


Small children have no business on an airplane, a movie theater, or a "grown up" restaurant unless the parent is able and willing to shut them the **** up.

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