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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:58 pm 
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Perhaps it is no big surprise to discover that governor Chris Christie is a vindictive, petty egomaniac contemptuous of the people he serves. But it’s hard to avoid that conclusion when you’ve pored over the new tranche of emails that show how he and his staff made life miserable for a large number of New Jerseyans – and, yes, trapped unnecessarily in traffic is misery, even when you have the gorgeous scenery of the George Washington Bridge to absorb. The point was punishment of a mayor who didn’t endorse the governor, whose re-election was cruising for a landslide victory in any case.

The small details of the email exchanges between Christie staffers are a little insight into the mindset of the men and women Christie surrounds himself with. It’s not a pretty picture. The few that leapt out at me:

    “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” Bridget Anne Kelly, one of three deputies on Christie’s senior staff, wrote to David Wildstein, a top Christie executive at the Port Authority, on Aug. 13, about three weeks before the closures. Wildstein, the official who ordered the closures and who resigned last month amid the escalating scandal, wrote back: “Got it.”

What strikes me about this is the Soprano-style archness of it all, the sense of total impunity in vindictiveness, as if this is the way politics is always played in Christie-land. When the traffic jams orchestrated by Christie’s staff snarled up even school buses, we get this:

    “I feel badly about the kids,” the person replied to Wildstein. “I guess.” “They are the children of Buono voters,” Wildstein wrote, making a reference to Barbara Buono, the Democratic candidate for governor, who lost to Christie in a landslide in November.

“I guess.” **** the kids – let’s get even, when we have no real need to. Christie has more than one problem here. He has been revealed as a deeply petty man, willing to sacrifice the public good to pursue narrow political vendettas – not exactly a qualification for a president. But he has also repeatedly denied all of this. Is he a bully? Or a liar? Or both?


I know 2016 is a long way away, but this strikes me as the kind of thing that'll stick.


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So he's a normal politician? Duly noted.

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This is not normal behavior by a politician. Petty payback on a personal level when it comes to things like committee assignments, endorsements, donor contacts, etc., maybe, but virtually shutting down a main traffic artery for days, affecting millions of people in the general public, because some mayor from the other party didn't endorse you? That's crazytown.


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That's positively Nixonian.

Or Oba-uhh.... Obamanian? Whatever. This seems basically like what happened with the IRS, just at a local scale. But that doesn't make any of it right, and honestly, I'm not surprised. The man has some balls, no doubt, but I was never convinced he was particularly ethical. You probably can't be if you want to get elected in New Jersey, right? Right?

In any case, I don't know any Republicans where I live that liked the guy, including the moderates/RINO's. The only people I heard saying positive things about him were liberals who were suggesting him as a good Republican. If he did run, I imagine he'd get primaried pretty darn quick.

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It is on the Internet, so the content and the editorial viewpoint are suspect. The court remains out. Are these e-mails real, from his staff, or are they a creative political assassination attempt.

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I think a lot of it will depend on how he responds to this. Current articles have him claiming he was misled by internal staff and that people will be held accountable.

I suspect if he plays his cards right that he may be able to survive this. But it's definitely a black eye.

However, if he only pays lip service to it, I think it could be very damaging for him.

I actually like Christie and really hope what he's claiming is true and it wasn't something that he was involved in directly.


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He won't be elected pres because some staffers closed some traffic lanes?

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I actually like Christie and really hope what he's claiming is true and it wasn't something that he was involved in directly.

Ugh. What do you like about him, Aizle? His policy preferences don't seem aligned with yours, and he strikes me as a pure ******* on a personal level. I just don't get the appeal.


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All that matters is getting elected, and to do that, all that matters is who you're running against.

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But Mr. Gates does say that, in defending her support for the Afghan surge, she confided that her opposition to Mr. Bush’s Iraq surge when she was in the Senate and a presidential candidate “had been political,” since she was facing Mr. Obama, then an antiwar senator, in the Iowa primary. In the same conversation, Mr. Obama “conceded vaguely that opposition to the Iraq surge had been political,” Mr. Gates recalls. “To hear the two of them making these admissions, and in front of me, was as surprising as it was dismaying.”


People will oppose support for our armed forces strictly for political gain, closing a highway ain't nuttin.

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People will oppose support for our armed forces strictly for political gain, closing a highway ain't nuttin.

First of all, opposing a particular military strategy is in no way equivalent to opposing support for our armed forces. Beyond that, you don't see a difference between staking out policy positions for political reasons and actually abusing one's power as a government official in order to hurt one's political rivals and their constituents?


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Aizle wrote:
I actually like Christie and really hope what he's claiming is true and it wasn't something that he was involved in directly.

Ugh. What do you like about him, Aizle? His policy preferences don't seem aligned with yours, and he strikes me as a pure ******* on a personal level. I just don't get the appeal.


Hence your eagerness to agree with Sullivan. He's got a response, and while I'm sure I'm going to here "Oh come ooooonnnnnn, do you actually believe thaaaaaat" as a response, the email Sullivan refers to is between 2 staffers. So yes, it's entirely plausible that he was misled and not directly involved, your obvious eagerness to see Republican contenders out of the race notwithstanding.

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This is not normal behavior by a politician. Petty payback on a personal level when it comes to things like committee assignments, endorsements, donor contacts, etc., maybe, but virtually shutting down a main traffic artery for days, affecting millions of people in the general public, because some mayor from the other party didn't endorse you? That's crazytown.

Sure is. Kinda like shutting down the national mall for no good reason and ordering the parks service to "inflict maximum pain" during the shutdown.

However one could only hope that his chances did go poof.

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RangerDave wrote:
This is not normal behavior by a politician.


You obviously haven't been paying attention for the last.. ...well, forever...


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Hence your eagerness to agree with Sullivan. He's got a response, and while I'm sure I'm going to here "Oh come ooooonnnnnn, do you actually believe thaaaaaat" as a response, the email Sullivan refers to is between 2 staffers. So yes, it's entirely plausible that he was misled and not directly involved, your obvious eagerness to see Republican contenders out of the race notwithstanding.

These weren't just some random staffers. We're talking about Christie's Deputy Chief of Staff reaching out to a major Christie appointee. I agree that it's entirely plausible Christie wasn't directly involved, but this isn't the kind of thing high-level staffers and appointees do unless they're confident the boss would approve. In addition, this was major news at the time here in the NYC/NJ region, so I find it considerably less plausible that Christie didn't quickly get at least the rough outlines of what happened months ago. There's no way this was a completely rogue move that poor, naive Christie never imagined his own hand-picked people would do and is only now learning about for the first time.

And while I'm not "eager" to believe the story, I'm certainly inclined to. Not because I want to see a Republican contender out of the race - how would that help the Dems anyway? if anything, at this early stage, this helps the other Republican contenders, not the Dems - but, rather, because it's consistent with my impression of his personality, his own deliberately cultivated public image as someone whho plays hardball, and behind-the-scenes accounts of how he operates from both Republicans and Dems.


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RangerDave:

It's an Andrew Sullivan piece. Sullivan claims responsibility for the modern definition of liberal while self-styling as a Burkean conservative. You'll forgive me if I find him as spurious and questionable as Limbaugh, Beck, or that Minnesotan Senator Al Franken.

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" email exchanges between Christie staffers "

This is why it will not stick. It will cost him some voters, but this will not be significant.


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Nah, Christie isn't made out of teflon like our President.

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I don't give two shits about Agatha Christie, but no one will remember if he had killed two kids in a jet-ski dolphin hunting trip a few years from now. The main stream media has a short attention span and it's consumers don't remember more than a couple weeks back.

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Ok, so apparently a woman died because EMS couldn't reach her fast enough. That's what I'm hearing, anyway.

If that's the case, they're all ****.


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Really? People dying is cause for concern in political decisions? Since when?

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Bush lied, people died?

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Oh, so it's only a problem for Republicans, is what you're saying.

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It wasn't that big a problem for Republicans, either. Bush got re-elected.

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Yeah, and this? Noone cares that some traffic was blocked on a bridge. Whatever.

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Liberals care whenever a Republican is popular.

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