The Glade 4.0

If my child had schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or depression I would treat them with medication as well.

And I don't give my child her ADHD meds on days when she doesn't go to school. They're out of her system by the time I see her in the evenings. But please, keep telling me why I'm giving her meds.

I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and I haven't taken medication for almost two years now. I don't like medication because it reduces my energy, and also makes my face and body look more bloated. It's also unhealthy for my organs. I think nowadays I have a more mature view of the world, so I can handle being off meds. I don't think anything is so stimulating that it could trigger me into a manic state, which happened to me once 5 years ago.

You're giving your kid drugs 'cause you don't like her behavior. There's no other reason. There's no disorder except, perhaps, yours, thinking that there's something wrong with your kid.

I hope you live a long life and get to experience all that you deserve.

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I stated a personal opinion, prefaced it as such.

I stated that I also believe ADHD to be a real thing that must be a difficult and challenging thing to live with and I have no problems with such cases being treated. I stated that I believe that there are a lot of false positives out there and that the lazy and bad parents latch onto.

Why would you get so defensive about being in the latter and not assume yourself in the former? Why purposefully jump into a line of fire that wasn't necessarily meant for you? I'm honestly curious.

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Drugging your kid is a terrible idea. That's a surefire way to mess up their brain's development. Do you think you really know better than 2 billion years of evolution and natural selection? You shouldn't give your kid anything more psychoactive than sugar.

Would you let your kid get drunk all the time and use drugs too?

Actually because of a large formation of behaviors, which fit the classic constellation of ADHD to a T. Her case couldn't be more textbook.


So abnormalities in neurotransmitter production/reception are not physical defects? I'll tell the sufferers of Parkinson's disease. Just because it manifests in behavior rather than physical tremors doesn't make it any less of a biological problem.

I want my child to be happy and health and successful. I want her gifts to shine. I want her to feel like she's in control of herself and her life. I want her to have friends and do the things she wants to do with her life.

Ah. so no painkillers post surgery? No antibiotics when she has an infection?

Those are different because they are temporary treatments. Mood stabilizers are typically prescribed for years or even a lifetime. It would also socially stigmatize the kid.

None of those sources show any long term benefit to the use of stimulants in treating adhd. How can we support it as a long term treatment when there is no scientific evidence to support its efficacy?

And the supposed refutation is not refuting what i linked. The crticism of that study is that the patients were previously on stimulants, which affects your brain chemistry. Of course their brain chemistry wasn't normal. The study I linked looked at patients who had never received medication to treat their ADHD and their brains were no different than controls. After a year on stimulants, their brains were different. This shows that it's the drugs creating the chemical imbalance, not ADHD.

Then why in the world are you controlling her with drugs? Can't you see that what you're doing is the opposite of what you say you want?

Perhaps it's because I experienced what I did when I was told I was "hyperactive". I took the drugs for a year or so to please my parents, but I quit taking the drugs on my own. When they found out I wasn't taking the drugs anymore, I openly defied my parents and the doctor, telling them I wasn't going to take the drugs anymore.

I did that to - in reality - be in control of myself and my life. That wasn't the drugs talking.

I hope for your daughter's sake she develops the discipline to do that too.

But, bottom line... you can do whatever you want. You just gotta be good with what you're doing, and accept the outcome, whatever that may be. You can't blame the doctor or your kid. This is all you.

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yeah. you're a rock.

Stable parenting, education, guidance, and financial support is what makes kids successful. Not drugs.

Nah, rather just give my kid meth.

Edit - and for **** sake, Riov, can you please stop equating antibiotics and post-surgical painkillers to methamphetamine? Putting them all under the umbrella of "modern medicine" is ridiculous.

I'm glad you will never again so much as mildly dispute anything I post regarding the military.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Not really the same thing now is it DE? me talking about my daughter, and you talking about the whole of an organization spanning 200+ years, millions of individuals, and a tradition going back 2000 years.

I don't recall debating you on your military expertise though. I usually leave that to the likes of Khross or Monte.

Doesn't really have to be the same thing. I have direct - no "man in the middle" - experience about this subject that you discount and instead adhere to second hand experience. You fabricate whatever reality you need to justify yourself. I mean, come on! You give your daughter drugs so she feels in control of herself? In what universe does THAT make sense?

You make it up as you go along and swear allegiance to a logic that only exists for you alone.

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Obviously they should have kicked you out so you could learn a valuable lesson. Their house' their rules.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

What? You mean like a childhood diagnosis of ADHD?

Please. Keep making up facts about my life when you have none. Its entertaining. I swear more people on this board have told me what I do, why I do things, or jumped to asinine conclusions about me than anywhere I've ever seen.

They did.

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Which is not the point of comparison. You're a well-educated layman taking issue with other laymen. On the subject of the military I'm... not a layman. I've got 16 years of it with extensive formal trainng and real-world experience. As for not debating me, I seem to recall you not wanting to listen to me explain how people wih UCMJ are different from school authorities just recently.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That explains everything.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Really? I'd consider myself an expert in my daughter and her behavior. My spouse is ..as you put it... not a layman either. She is a licensed child clinical psychologist with a PhD. And we're both on the same page with my daughter and have had tens if not hundreds of hours of discussion on this exact topic.

And you were debating how the hypothetical situation I created out of thin air was somehow not like a real world situation that you didn't understand I was making reference to, by trying to edit the hypothetical scenario. Not really the same thing.

I'm sure you're an expert on your daughter, but that does not translate to being an expert on her medical issues. I have thyroid problems and cardiac arythmia problems, neither of which (despite considerable lay research) makes me an endocrinologist or cardilologist, and my military experience does not translate into expertise on the part of my wife. The same is true for your spouse. The OP reference is a doctor, on the other hand, so if he's calling the concept of ADHD into question it's not unreasonable for the rest of us to grant him some credence.



I was not in any way editing the hypothetical scenario. I just understood it - better than you did. You picked the military because you thought it would have some sort of personal impact on me. It didn't, mainly because I understood why the comparison was inaccurate. You, on the other hand, didn't and rather than drop your shitty comparison you retreated into this nonsense about "Editing the scenario" which amounted to ***** that I filled in - in a completely reasonable manner, consistent with your phrasing and the normal conditions of the institution you were referencing - details you couldn't be assed to provide in your haste to try to get some emotional impact.

I therefore find it very amusing that you come in here and tell everyone else to shut up about ADHD. I thought Taskiss was up to more or less the same thing, but it turns out it's actually a matter of his parents treating him just as shabbily as he thinks everyone else should treat their kids.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Everything?

Exactly what does getting kicked out of my parents house for refusing to obey rules they insisted on explain, DE? Thinking about it though, which isn't easy 'cause we're talking about something that happened about 40 years ago... thinking about it, and if I remember right, I think I told my dad to f-off. I think it was 'cause I was on the phone too long or something. It's been a while.

Anyway...back to the discussion.

Everything ... wow. There's gotta be several pages of response coming down the pike to encompass EVERYthing... You going to just hit the hilights or you gunna do a deep dive? Try to work my career accomplishments in there too, that's been a pretty important part of EVERYthing... Oh! And do my relationship with my kids, too. Doesn't go back the whole 57 years, but I represent well there, so I'd like it included. You can gloss over the 3 wives thing if you're pressed for time... not some of my finer work.

Make sure you get the quotes right. You know how you are with them.

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I think that for a lot of parents, the pills are just the best of a bunch of bad options. Specifically, single parents and dual income households. These families have to send the kid to daycare or use school as daycare while they work, and if discipline problems start happening, it has to be fixed ASAP. The third party isn't going to put up with the misbehavior while you implement a long term solution, and you have to send the kid somewhere while you work. Some schools these days will flat out tell parents that the kid can't come back unless he's on Ritalin.

What else are you going to do in that situation? Since you work, the kid can't stay at home/home school. I suppose you could take the old fashioned approach and beat the misbehaving out of him, but that's probably just as bad for him as the drugs.