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Ugh, and that NV state Assemblytwit. Shocking.


What I find most frightening about her is that she thinks cancer is a fungus and you can deal with it using baking soda.. and we thought anti-vaccers were bad.

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Ugh, and that NV state Assemblytwit. Shocking.


What I find most frightening about her is that she thinks cancer is a fungus and you can deal with it using baking soda.. and we thought anti-vaccers were bad.


Awesome... I just found out that our Congress Rep (Joe Heck) Is running for the open senate seat... and this batshit twat is running for his seat.

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Ugh, and that NV state Assemblytwit. Shocking.


What I find most frightening about her is that she thinks cancer is a fungus and you can deal with it using baking soda.. and we thought anti-vaccers were bad.


Bless her heart...

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Bless her heart...


If by that you mean "Quick someone drop a house on her and take her shoes!!!!" that is a great idea.

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I meant it in the southern sense.

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I can't deal with that much crazy.

The scary part is not that there's that kind of crazy... its that there's thousands of supporters THAT AGREE WITH THEM


Yeah, but its thousands out of the 330 million people in this country. You can find a few thousand people to support almost any kind of lunacy.

Note that these thousands of people are not actually all that interested in going out there with their rifles and getting arrested along with them. This demonstrates what I've been saying for years - revolutions sound a lot cooler on the internet then when you're freezing your *** off doing them - or losing at them, because the groundswell of popular support exists only in your fantasy world.


I'm sure if actual rights had been violated, and actual freedoms had been repressed, etc... that there would have been more patriots.

They chose the wrong hill to die on.

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I'm sure if actual rights had been violated, and actual freedoms had been repressed, etc... that there would have been more patriots.

They chose the wrong hill to die on.


I think they mostly just got arrested on the hill.

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I'm sure if actual rights had been violated, and actual freedoms had been repressed, etc... that there would have been more patriots.

They chose the wrong hill to die on.


I think they mostly just got arrested on the hill.


Yeah, except for that one dumbass.

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Evidently the shitlord that started the original controversy doesn't even control his cattle properly.

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"Rather than manage and control his cattle, he lets them run wild on the public lands with little, if any, human interaction until such time when he traps them and hauls them off to be sold or slaughtered," said court documents filed by federal prosecutors last month. "He does not vaccinate or treat his cattle for disease; does not employ cowboys to control and herd them; does not manage or control breeding; has no knowledge of where all the cattle are located at any given time; rarely brands them."


How does he even know how many cows are his, or which ones?

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With Bundy in prison, his cows are "left to fend for themselves year-round, fighting off predators and scrounging for the meager amounts of food and water," according to federal prosecutors. In addition, the authorities maintain that the surviving cattle are "wild, mean and ornery" and are destroying fragile plant species and even destroying sacred Indian artifacts.


All this guy wants to do is freeload and let his cows run loose and pretend to be a "rancher" without investing any actual work.

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All this guy wants to do is freeload and let his cows run loose and pretend to be a "rancher" without investing any actual work.


According to the federal government.

When I see someone describe livestock as "wild, mean, and ornery", I get pretty skeptical of their position. Who gives a crap? If they are healthy and tasty, that's all a rancher will care about. Ranchers don't go around "taming" their herds. They'll focus on a few key individual herd leaders to help control the herd overall. There's no need, for example, to tame young bulls at all since they'll be eaten.

Branding only matters if there's another rancher's cattle in the area and there's a question of herd merging. Vaccination / disease treatment is simply an economic matter - if the herd gets sick you lose money. There is no need to do this.

The control of breeding and management of the herd's activities is important, however, if this impacts the land, other species, or other property owners.


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No, DE has it pretty right. He lets his cows do whatever. There's even a case where one wandered onto I-15 and got hit... and Bundy sued the people that hit it.

He's a class-a *******.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
According to the federal government.

When I see someone describe livestock as "wild, mean, and ornery", I get pretty skeptical of their position. Who gives a crap?


Kindly fill us in on standard ranching practices then, and why the government's position is unreasonable. I'm pretty skeptical of your personal suspicion of the government, or your skepticism based on terminology.

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http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/14-addi ... -in-nevada

14 more arrests in conjunction with the standoff from a couple of years ago. More to come.

And LOTS of Federal charges for these dumb ****.

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What the hell? I spent a decent amount of time typing up a response and it's not here. Argh.

In short it went along the lines of this:

I've spent a lot of time around all kinds of ranchers. Casual ranchers like us, to people with a herd of "pets" to people with massive operations. Because of the vast differences, "standard practices" does not apply. Provided your livestock is not being abused / neglected or is damaging someone else's property (reference to Mus's statement above), then it's no one else's business what you do with your property.


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What the hell? I spent a decent amount of time typing up a response and it's not here. Argh.


Often, if you hit the "back" button it's still there and you can get it back.

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In short it went along the lines of this:

I've spent a lot of time around all kinds of ranchers. Casual ranchers like us, to people with a herd of "pets" to people with massive operations. Because of the vast differences, "standard practices" does not apply. Provided your livestock is not being abused / neglected or is damaging someone else's property (reference to Mus's statement above), then it's no one else's business what you do with your property.


The assertion is that the cattle are wandering loose on Federal land and damaging property, so that would indeed make it someone else's business. Bundy is not being charged with animal neglect or cruelty to my knowledge.

Virginia Tech - which both of us attended - had an extensive agricultural program, which included a program on cattle raising. I remember it well because of the frequency of running past the cows at 0600 for PT on that road that led out to the barns past the duck pond. You may or may not have been there when they put in the obstacle course next to it. You go down that road, turn right and down a short hill, then turn left again, and the cows were in a field on the right. If you went to the end of that road and turned left, it would take you up to the barns IIRC.

I find it difficult to imagine that if agriculture has accredited academic degrees in raising livestock that there are no generally accepted or standard practices. What are they teaching if that is the case?

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There's pictures floating around of malnourished and dehydrated Bundy Cows. He *should* be up for neglect.

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Diamondeye wrote:
The assertion is that the cattle are wandering loose on Federal land and damaging property, so that would indeed make it someone else's business. Bundy is not being charged with animal neglect or cruelty to my knowledge.


If you recall my issue was with the cattle being described as "mean and ornery", like that's some sort of legitimate complaint. Destruction of property is; I just don't see what the cow's temperament has to do with anything.

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Virginia Tech - which both of us attended - had an extensive agricultural program, which included a program on cattle raising. I remember it well because of the frequency of running past the cows at 0600 for PT on that road that led out to the barns past the duck pond. You may or may not have been there when they put in the obstacle course next to it. You go down that road, turn right and down a short hill, then turn left again, and the cows were in a field on the right. If you went to the end of that road and turned left, it would take you up to the barns IIRC.

I find it difficult to imagine that if agriculture has accredited academic degrees in raising livestock that there are no generally accepted or standard practices. What are they teaching if that is the case?


Well, I talked about that in my poofed response. As I mentioned, there's all kinds of ranchers. There are ranches that hold or work with people holding some sort of animal husbandry / agricultural science degree, because they are serious about their operation and want to maximize efficiency, or whatever else they are concerned about. There is a lot of money in ranching, and a lot of science can go into it. As a result, there's lots of groups pushing their sets of standards, and there's organizations that coordinate all that. But, none of this is required (or even appropriate for smaller operations). It's basically the same as farming - there's huge investments in research on how best to grow corn, but any jackass can plant corn on his property. It's not even close to a uniform industry.


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