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Which presidential candidate do you plan to vote for in the general election?
Clinton 21%  21%  [ 7 ]
Trump 15%  15%  [ 5 ]
Third Party 47%  47%  [ 16 ]
Write-In 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
I'm not sure 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
I don't plan to vote 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
I'm not eligible to vote 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
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I hesitate to call Hillary a "Liberal". She's a neocon in a pantsuit.

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I hesitate to call Hillary a "Liberal". She's a neocon in a pantsuit.


In regard to foreign policy she's a neocon. At home, she's definitely a liberal.

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Even the Washington Post and the NYT are finally admitting that yes, Hillary Clinton's e-mail server is, in fact, a serious issue.

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Even the Washington Post and the NYT are finally admitting that yes, Hillary Clinton's e-mail server is, in fact, a serious issue.

I really don't get how anyone could think it isn't a serious issue (though I fully recognize that many of her supporters have tried to downplay it). It obviously put classified information at risk for selfish reasons. It obviously raises all kinds of problems vis-a-vis transparency, accountability and oversight. And it obviously would have resulted in termination and likely prosecution for anyone who wasn't politically connected. So even if liberal supporters of Clinton don't care much about the national security risk, they should be incensed by the lack of transparency and the special treatment for the powerful.


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I really don't get how anyone could think it isn't a serious issue (though I fully recognize that many of her supporters have tried to downplay it). It obviously put classified information at risk for selfish reasons. It obviously raises all kinds of problems vis-a-vis transparency, accountability and oversight. And it obviously would have resulted in termination and likely prosecution for anyone who wasn't politically connected. So even if liberal supporters of Clinton don't care much about the national security risk, they should be incensed by the lack of transparency and the special treatment for the powerful.


RD, the reason is - and I am not including you here; I appreciate your acknowledgements above - that liberals have bought into this idea that scandals are something the right has, and the left doesn't. It's a zero-defects, or zero-tolerance mentality, where no wrongdoing can ever be acknowledged as truly consequential out of fear that this will create in the public mind the idea that the left is just as capable of dishonesty as the right - when in fact refusal to acknowledge that fact ultimately looks far more foolish. It's not limited to just politicians either - EVERY rape claim, no matter how absurd is defended, EVERY black man shot by the police is a victim, and it ultimately weakens the left on these issues rather than strengthening it.

Literally every accusation ever leveled at her is either a Republican conspiracy, because she's a woman, or both, and it's worn out its welcome.

Hillary with her e-mails and the idiots all over college campuses are very much like Colonel Jessup in A Few Good Men, going from sitting there at his table talking about how he eats breakfast 300 yards from 4,000 Cubans to having a meltdown at getting arrested after perjuring himself and admitting to misusing his authority. We went from the condescending "it will remain private" as if she were a schoolteacher admonishing a student getting a bit too uppity for her taste to "well it's just a security review" (a term the FBI apparently is unfamiliar with) to trying to excuse it because Colin Powell did something similar since, you know, that makes it ok and policies regarding email definitely weren't far more immature in 2000 than in 2008 or anything.

Obviously any politician will have their die-hard supporters that will stick with them through anything (even Nixon did) but the Democrats and the Left had heavily invested themselves in Hillary For First Woman President since about 1992, and she's had a strategy of condescending her way to the White House the entire time. Acknowledging serious concerns about her means tacitly acknowledging almost 25 years of trying to immunize her from criticism with a combination of "right wing conspiracy!" and appeals to her genitalia.

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It's the vast right-wing conspiracy.


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You know, if I did what Hillary did I'd face up to 10 years in prison per email...

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The President of the United States doesn't owe you a personal favor for helping him win the 2008 election.

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The President of the United States doesn't owe you a personal favor for helping him win the 2008 election.


If he did, that'd be an awful lot of favors.

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Gary Johnson is getting my vote.

Clinton is trash and has always been trash. A political windsock so perhaps the safest bet. Guns are getting ever more popular especially with woman so while she may talk about that during a primary shell shut the hell up, as windsocks do, when she wins NJ and gets the general.

Trump is just random batshit nutterballs. And while it might be worth it just for the cardiac events that progressives will suffer if he wins its only a passing bit of schadenfreude. I will see his incoherent and sporadic doubt of neocon foreign policy is better than Hillary's sure-footed commitment to bombing any place that Americans cannot find on a map.

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Trump, because **** you and you and that guy over there, that *******, those two people in the distance, Jeff is cool, but **** if this country doesn't deserve Trump.

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Müs wrote:
I hesitate to call Hillary a "Liberal". She's a neocon in a pantsuit.

Hillary Clinton is not a neocon.

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In my voting life, I have never been as disgusted at the major party candidates we have to choose from. I've been voting since the mid 80s.


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Gary Johnson is getting my vote.


That's where I was heading until I looked into him. He's an idiot too.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Gary Johnson is getting my vote.


That's where I was heading until I looked into him. He's an idiot too.

We're screwed.

Yeah, and that VP pick of his is a gun-grabber from what I can tell. Not sure how a proper libertarian can stomach that.

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What the hell man.. why can't we find one decent human being that wants to be President?

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LOL, wth....

I get that he was trying to make a point and be funny at the same time, but that demonstration is ill-advised for someone as relatively unknown as Gary Johnson.


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Midgen wrote:
What the hell man.. why can't we find one decent human being that wants to be President?

Nevermind.. I know the answer to this...



Would you want to?

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LOL, wth....

I get that he was trying to make a point and be funny at the same time, but that demonstration is ill-advised for someone as relatively unknown as Gary Johnson.


The best part is that he still looks better than Jill Stein getting herself arrested at a protest like a dumbass 19 year old college kid.

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LOL, wth....

I get that he was trying to make a point and be funny at the same time, but that demonstration is ill-advised for someone as relatively unknown as Gary Johnson.


What got me was the "Allepo incident". If you don't know right now what Allepo is, you're either 1) not running for president, 2) really stupid or brain damaged, or 3) completely unprepared.


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What the hell man.. why can't we find one decent human being that wants to be President?

Nevermind.. I know the answer to this...



Would you want to?

I'll do it. It'd be fun vetoing everything that crossed my desk (you say you want bipartisanship, you got it) and driving everyone nuts by not running for reelection...

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Timmit wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
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What the hell man.. why can't we find one decent human being that wants to be President?

Nevermind.. I know the answer to this...



Would you want to?

I'll do it. It'd be fun vetoing everything that crossed my desk (you say you want bipartisanship, you got it) and driving everyone nuts by not running for reelection...

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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LOL, wth....

I get that he was trying to make a point and be funny at the same time, but that demonstration is ill-advised for someone as relatively unknown as Gary Johnson.


What got me was the "Allepo incident". If you don't know right now what Allepo is, you're either 1) not running for president, 2) really stupid or brain damaged, or 3) completely unprepared.


I was willing cut him a break on the first one, mainly because he acknowledged it was a major screwup but once he did it a scond time any thought of a protest vote for him left me.

Jill Stein evidently even dumber than Johnson

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Timmit wrote:
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What the hell man.. why can't we find one decent human being that wants to be President?

Nevermind.. I know the answer to this...



Would you want to?

I'll do it. It'd be fun vetoing everything that crossed my desk (you say you want bipartisanship, you got it) and driving everyone nuts by not running for reelection...

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I have to admit, 4 years of trolling the entire country is an attractive prospect.

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