The Glade 4.0

Someone seriously needs to go all Ruby Ridge on these dipshits next time.

Yeah, I don't get this. I really don't. I can't see how a jury, seeing all of the evidence that they did the things they did could return a "not guilty" verdict.



41 days. Armed insurrectionists. Federal land. "Not Guilty" after the feds basically let them do their thing.



But... police in riot gear and MRAP vehicles backed with "sonic guns" are dispatched to deal with other protestors... with no guns. On Tribal Lands.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Yeah, the clear message to protesters is to be sure and arm themselves (and, you know, be white).

If what you say is truly the window into your soul, then you are a very violent person.

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The Dude abides.

Nah, it was just intended as dark humor. I'm actually kind of ambivalent about how law enforcement should handle armed stand-offs that don't involve imminent danger to anyone. On one level, there is a part of me that's viscerally opposed to patiently accommodating people who threaten violence if they don't get their way, but on a less emotional level, I believe the better approach is to just wait them out and then prosecute. It's just frustrating when that "better approach" gets undone by a moronic jury and/or incompetent prosecution.

No no, I'm sure it's all because they were white.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Necessity != sufficiency

That's definitely part of it. Not because the FBI, etc. are more comfortable killing black people, but because the political and media fallout for killing a bunch of anti-government good ol' boys would be much greater than killing, say, a bunch of armed BLM or NBPP in similar circumstances.

This cartoon pretty accurately captures how a fairly influential segment of the right views the world:

That cartoon pretty accurately describes how a significant portion of the left thinks a portion of the right views the world. I mean, the left actually thinks that this isn't just a snarky cartoon; the view is that there's literally nothing else to the debate, that your own suspicions of the motives of the right are self-evidently true and anything more complicated than "durr hurr racism" is just a smokescreen. It isn't just that it's hypocritically bigoted; it's lazy on top of that.

Maybe if you replaced the sign with a torch and someone's drug store burning down you'd have a more accurate picture. As for the "media fallout", that picture pretty accurately describes how the media wants people to think of things; if you think there'd be less fallout for killing black thugs than killing white thugs you haven't been paying attention.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I love how the actual message is clear, and to your credit you get part of it RD, but most only get what is clouding your mind.


Be armed.


Nothing else matters. Want to make sure violence isn't going to automatically be the easiest solution to deal with you when you are a problem - be prepared and capable of doing violence in return preferrably more violence than can be mustered against you and even better in more areas than you're currently in.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I didn't follow this story very closely, and what I do understand of it seems pretty straightforward: A group of armed militants, their leaders claiming to have been give a divine order, occupied a National Wildlife Refuge for six weeks. They broke into safes, stole money, cameras and computers, illegally dug a new road that severed plumbing pipes resulting in literal **** going everywhere, and badly damaged tribal artifacts. And they did all of this in full view of news media and the American public.

Setting aside politics and partisanship, whether you agree with them or not...on what rationale were they acquitted?

Apparently, the problem was that they could have gotten them on many lesser charges, but they went for the big potato, the conspiracy charge. I can't find the article online now, bu the LA Times had a good explanation of why the jurors didn't agree there was a "conspiracy." One woman juror said something like, "The feds don't understand that not guilty does not mean innocent," implying that of course they broke laws, but not the ones that the government was trying them on.

The Oregonian put it like this:

Oh, and here's a funny one from, again from Schindler:

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This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge

Since when do they just try on one charge? Usually there is a litany of charges.

Another article from Reason concurs and includes that and more statements from the jury.

And, TheRiov, they tried on just the one charge because they didn't want to give the jury the option of lesser jail time. The conspiracy charge carried a maximum prison sentence of six years, and the prosecution wanted to nail the defendants to the wall.

So, government overreach and vindictiveness saw them go free because they wanted to ensure maximum jail time for the protesters who were objecting to what they considered unfair mandatory minimums in another case. Wow, that's delicious irony.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

When an armed force takes over a US Gov't facility-- its not a protest, its an act of treason.
They want to protest, carry signs, march, sign petitions. You dont hold US gov't property and threaten force.

I've never considered violence against others as humor. YMMV.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Someone getting hit in the balls is always funny.

I get that and I honestly don't suspect you of being violent. You'll notice here though I can see dark humor for what it is and would grant somebody the same leeway for applying similar humor to race.

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The Dude abides.

"Armed standoff that doesn't involve imminent danger to anyone."

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I'd like to think the fact that such obviously guilty idiots went untouched would teach lawyers not to attempt to grossly inflate charges, requests for punishment or compensation, beyond what was reasonable for what happened.

I said "I'd like to think." I'm not that optimistic.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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Speaking of armed white thugs getting killed no one really shed a tear when the Waco Police killed a bunch of white motorcycle gang members.

The simple fact is that no one gives a flying **** when white people are killed by the cops, whether or not its justified. When a black person gets killed, there's media outrage (over and above the BLM outrage) again, whether or not it was justified or appeared that way or not. IIRC at least one of the idiots involved in the protest at the preserve was shot by law enforcement as well, and that too was quickly forgotten, sans massive protests and burning of people's businesses.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Lands specifically protected by treaties with Domestic Dependent Nations and Federal law. The Standing Rock Sioux are getting shafted here.

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This kind of thing is pretty common, actually. If you want some liberal-themed outrage over the same kind of thing, there's this

Prosecutor wasn't happy with the 10 year max sentence on the charges he could get, went for a 20 year sentence that didn't apply, rapist goes free. For added liberal outrage, this result was only possible because Oklahoma split up its rape statutes for the express purpose of being able to refer to oral sex as, "an abominable crime against nature."

Never move to Oklahoma...

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