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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:58 am 
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After the Ft. Hood thing, **** gets real. I feel kind of bad for this guy. People jokingly say **** like this all the time. I guess I don't blame their extra sensitivity, but I wonder if his leadership is trying to stik up for him or not. If he thought it sucked before being stop loss'd to go to Iraq for another year... Welcome to prison.

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Atlanta Journal-Constitution
January 12, 2010

Soldier At Ga. Base Jailed For Angry Rap Song

By Russ Bynum, Associated Press

SAVANNAH, Ga. — Angry that the military planned to send him back to Iraq past his date to leave the military, a Fort Stewart soldier recorded a hip-hop song that blasts the Army and describes going on a shooting spree, an act that led his commanders to decide that the soldier posed a threat to his unit.

The infantry soldier, Spc. Marc A. Hall, has been jailed on criminal charges in Liberty County, Ga., for the past month for a song and other statements that one of his lawyers insists were simply a form of protest.

"They're saying it's a threat. We're saying it's a fantasy," said Jim Klimaski, a Washington civilian attorney who has talked to Hall about the case. "He's mad, but he's not stupid. He's not violent."

Charges filed against Hall of Coward, S.C., on Dec. 17, a week after he was jailed, say his threats weren't just confined to his rap recording. The charging document said he also told soldiers he would "go on a rampage" and that he "was planning on shooting the brigade and battalion commanders."

Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said Monday commanders were being extra cautious after the recent shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, where an Army psychiatrist was charged with murdering 13 people in November.

"Any threat needs to be taken seriously, no matter what," Larson said. "Any reasonable person who listens to that song would be concerned."

Hall, 34, was charged with five criminal counts under a military law, Article 134, used as a catchall for misconduct ranging from adultery to some types of assault. Each count specifies that Hall communicated threats.

Hall's military attorney, Capt. Anthony Schiavetti, declined to comment Monday.

Klimaski said the soldier intended no real violence.

He said Hall was using music to vent his anger after learning last year that, instead of leaving the Army after four years this February as he'd planned, he would be kept in the ranks for a yearlong tourin Iraq starting in December 2009 under the unpopular "stop loss" policy.

Hall, who joined the Army in 2006, was arrested by military authorities in December before his unit deployed.

Hall posted the song, called "Stop Loss," on his Web site. Klimaski said he also played it for many soldiers in his unit, the 2nd Battalion, 7th Infantry Regiment of the 3rd Infantry Division.

On the recording, Hall denounces the Army for the policy used to keep thousands of soldiers in the ranks beyond their scheduled dates to leave the military. He also raps about opening fire with his military-issue M-4 rifle.

"I got a (expletive) magazine with 30 rounds, on a three-round burst, ready to fire down," Hall raps on the recording. "Still against the wall, I grab my M-4, spray and watch all the bodies hit the floor.

"I bet you never stop-loss nobody no more, in your next lifetime of course. No remorse."

Larson said Fort Stewart commanders haven't decided whether to seek a general court-martial for Hall or to handle his case in a lower military court, where possible punishments are less severe.

More than 185,000 U.S. troops have been forced to extend their time in the military under the "stop loss" policy since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said he hopes the practice can be scaled back drastically in the next two years.

Jason Hurd, a Savannah-based coordinator for Iraq Veterans Against the War, said Hall contacted him about joining the group shortly before his arrest. He called Hurd back a few days later from jail.

"He has told me to my face on numerous occasions that he was not trying to communicate a real threat," Hurd said. "This was an artistic expression of his anger over stop loss."

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:04 am 
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While I'm sure he wasn't actually planning on shooting people up, what is the **** point in recording a song like that? It just causes **** like this to happen. And if he was getting discharged, how can they send him on another tour of duty? That doesn't seem quite right, but I have no idea how these things actually work.

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There's a policy called stop-loss that allows people to be retained on duty past the end of an enlistment, to be prevented from transferring to a different unit when theirs is about to deploy and a few other things. It's highly controversial and there was tal during the campaign of ending it, although I don't remember who promised to do what if anything. I think it also involves additional compensation for soldiers held after their enlistment but I'm not certain. Since officers don't have terms of enlistment it applies to us less frequently and it applies differently when it does.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-loss_policy


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Terrible movie.


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It was, but it's a serious issue.

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Bone-head move on his part.


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