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No. 332: Add another Space Shuttle flight
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Hah... given the current axes levied at NASA, that's just funny.


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Damn, and I thought the stiffies over Ron Paul were annoying.

Obama has not done anything substantive yet. And you can't seriously, with a straight face, blame his failures on Lieberman.


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And you are still wrong. There's five pages of wrong staring you in the face. Five pages of things he did, substantively, that he said he would do on the trail. Your hate for the man simply blinds you. Perhaps you should stop obsessing so much about his skin color? Or making off color jokes about it, as it were?


This post was also reported. While assigning opinions and thoughts to the target that they never stated is poor form (Strawmanning), it is not against the rules. However, this particular post borderlines on accusations of racism. Be careful.

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And you are still wrong. There's five pages of wrong staring you in the face. Five pages of things he did, substantively, that he said he would do on the trail. Your hate for the man simply blinds you. Perhaps you should stop obsessing so much about his skin color? Or making off color jokes about it, as it were?


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Can I get a clarification?

Because this is in response to Mus' joke about the president being clearly full of **** because his skin is brown. Is it ok to be racist on the board, but not ok to call people on it? I mean, making a joke about the color of someone's skin is pretty clearly racist. If that's not a problem for the board, please let me know. He went on to make a joke about lynching, as well. Is it not ok to point out how inappropriate that is?

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Can I get a clarification?

Because this is in response to Mus' joke about the president being clearly full of **** because his skin is brown.


You've read it backwards. He's not full of **** because his skin is brown, his skin is brown because he's full of ****. (Note: this is not my opinion, I'm just explaining it)

Cause: full of ****
Effect: skin is brown

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Six of one, one half dozen of the other, in my book.

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How's that any different than a "Black Leader" calling Obama the whitest guy in the room with Joe Biden there?

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And you are still wrong. There's five pages of wrong staring you in the face. Five pages of things he did, substantively, that he said he would do on the trail. Your hate for the man simply blinds you. Perhaps you should stop obsessing so much about his skin color? Or making off color jokes about it, as it were?


This post was also reported. While assigning opinions and thoughts to the target that they never stated is poor form (Strawmanning), it is not against the rules. However, this particular post borderlines on accusations of racism. Be careful.


Can I get a clarification?

Because this is in response to Mus' joke about the president being clearly full of **** because his skin is brown. Is it ok to be racist on the board, but not ok to call people on it? I mean, making a joke about the color of someone's skin is pretty clearly racist. If that's not a problem for the board, please let me know. He went on to make a joke about lynching, as well. Is it not ok to point out how inappropriate that is?

See Mookhow's explanation of Arafys' post. I did not give a warning on your post, because it's pretty borderline, and it's very possibly a misunderstanding of what was said. I'd also take exception to the blanket statement that "making a joke about the color of someone's skin is pretty clearly racist." A whole lot of comedians make a living doing just that. I wouldn't say Chris Rock is racist for it. That said, I don't think your post is that clearly a personal attack. Just be careful throwing accusations of racism around.

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So, lay out how I can express offense over something like that, or the lynching comment, without invoking the wrath of the Mods. I'd like a way to do that, preferably one that avoids hitting the little red exclamation point. I've been avoiding that button until today, and I'd like to return to avoiding it.

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Six of one, one half dozen of the other, in my book.


Your book seriously needs to be re-written because there's a pretty significant difference between the two, not that I necessarily agree with either.

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It might help if you worried less about expressing offense over stuff. Ok, you're offended. So what?

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So, in your opinion, you think I should just stay silent. Would you stay silent if I made those comments about conservatives, Christians, etc? I don't think you would. Why would you expect me to do so?

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So, in your opinion, you think I should just stay silent. Would you stay silent if I made those comments about conservatives, Christians, etc? I don't think you would. Why would you expect me to do so?


No, I didn't say you should stay silent. I said so what if you're offended. Why do you insist on reading in things that aren't there? It's like listening to my daughter describe how kids at school end up in an argument over who is whose friend on myspace.

Address the factual aspects of the comment. Is Obama's skin brown? Why does that matter? etc. You being offended isn't really a discussable point. Ok, so what?

When you do make attacks on <whatever>, I don't address it by saying I'm offended, I point out how you're incorrect.

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How's that any different than a "Black Leader" calling Obama the whitest guy in the room with Joe Biden there?
Can you answer this, Montegue?

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So, lay out how I can express offense over something like that, or the lynching comment, without invoking the wrath of the Mods. I'd like a way to do that, preferably one that avoids hitting the little red exclamation point. I've been avoiding that button until today, and I'd like to return to avoiding it.



Get them to clarify there position. If it's truly worth noting, it will violate the following rule:

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Ok, so making a joke about lynching a black man is solid form here. Good to know.

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Get them to clarify there position. If it's truly worth noting, it will violate the following rule:



My post was reported for poor grammar and using the wrong "their."

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How's that any different than a "Black Leader" calling Obama the whitest guy in the room with Joe Biden there?
Can you answer this, Montegue?


I was sort of confused as to why the question was asked? Have I ever supported that sort of comment or even implied that I would?

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Die, Arafys.[/color][/i][/b]


/Reported as a personal attack. ;)


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Get them to clarify there position. If it's truly worth noting, it will violate the following rule:



My post was reported for poor grammar and using the wrong "their."

Die, Arafys.


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