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I don't know; I think we're getting there. Avatar blurred the lines between animated and live-action, and it was up for Best Picture. I can see it happening in the next 5-10 years.

If it had won, I would agree.

UP was also nominated.

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Holy shitsnacks!

We're not.

Is it fair to call CGI with facial motion capture "animated" though? I don't think an Avatar win really would have counted, just like Lord of the Rings wasn't animated by virtue of Gollum and the orcses.

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People's Choice is confused:
January 6, 2010 People's Choice Awards[37]
Favorite 3D Live Action Movie Avatar Won
Favorite 3D Animated Movie Avatar Won
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... _by_Avatar

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Holy shitsnacks!

You can't just film someone in a mo-cap suit and be done with it, that's just the beginning. To say Avatar had anything short of amazing animation is a disservice to the people that worked hard on it. I spent over a week animating a face (with likely 1% of the total polys) that spoke two sentences. Your comment also disregards all of the amazing plant and animal life animated throughout the movie. Can't mo-cap that.

Also, Avatar falls under both the live action and animated categories; I see no problem with the people's choice awards.

Avatar's animation and technical stuff wasn't amazing.

It was absolutely **** brilliant. It was animation as if the son of God came down from on high and whipped out copies of Poser, Maya and Bryce and animated the thing himself.

That is to say, damn near perfect. Flawless. Fully animated humanoids with faces and **** that was on the far side of the uncanny valley.

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Holy shitsnacks!

So.. you liked the movie eh hehe...

I believe it should have won best picture just for it's innovation. While I walked away from Hurt locker thinking it was good, I walked away from Avatar thinking it was **** brilliant! It just seemed like the academy had it out for cameron just cause it was big budget. you know vote for the small guy (and ex wife).

Oh, I don't say that to disparage the CG work on Avatar, nor the artists (and yes, it is art; I don't disagree) who worked on it.

My point is more that you have to draw lines somewhere, I think. Did Gollum make LotR qualify for "Best Animated Feature?" How about the spaceships in Serenity? How about T-1000 in Terminator 2?

For me, the line is most easily drawn when what you create has no recorded analogue in the real world, and instead flows directly from the imagination, memory, and creative impetus of the artists. That's the dividing line for me between "animation" and "effects work." Both are challenging and require boatloads of talent.

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I can see wining for best technical achievement or something, but saying it should be best picture? That's like when people argue a game should win game of the year because "Did you SEE how they rendered the water in the lake????? WOW!!!"

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Kaf,
I'd argue that it's leagues harder to believably animate something that doesn't exist, than it is to animate something you have on hand.

And that's the same angle I'm working from, too. Motion captured facial performances, as used in Avatar, are easier than Pixar's evocation of expressive performances.

*shrug*

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Why are you only focusing on the faces? Once again, you're disregarding all of the work that went into the amazing WORLD that was created.

Because the characters are what differentiate a live action movie from an animated one.

Is Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow an animated movie?

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No but it is a shitty one.

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Raell Kromwell

SILENCE! =P

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No really, I am pretty easy but that movie killed me.

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The pacing was off; it could've used better editing.

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I found everything fine except for one crucial bit: the casting of Jude Law. He was completely miscast, in a film that needed a Harrison-Ford-as-Indiana-Jones-strength screen presence.

Otherwise, it's one of the best films of the year, and one of my all-time favorites, for the visuals alone if nothing else. Unfortunately, it's not nearly as strong as it should have been, due to that error in casting.

The visuals were astounding.

Unfortunately, I felt the movie had no soul, and found that overall I couldn't care less about the characters, which is integral to a film such as sky captain.

I actually felt the same way about the recent animated film 9. Visually amazing, but there was no reason to care about the characters, so it ultimately fails as a film.