The Glade 4.0

Welcome to why I don't post in Heckfire. It's completely redundant, right down to the "no more moderation" policy. It's a bullshit smoke-and-mirrors trick so that the mods can pretend they actually do something.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Wringing hands and bemoaning fate isn't actually doing something? Wonder of wonders.

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I've never pretended anything. You're mostly on your own here and expected to act like adults. I know some of you arent capable, and while I'm sorry for you, I cant help you.

I'm not going to be the skirt you tug on when someone is being mean to you. If people are civil, that's enough for me.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Oh! evidence, thou cruel mistress.

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Who knew a thread on "Federal pay ahead of private industry", could produce such results? I have to say I'm more than a little jealous. I have to really put in effort to make people this butthurt on the internet and that thread did it with alarming ease.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Oh, don't worry. It's not the thread that got people butthurt. It's your hypocrisy and lack of standards. So, I guess you put effort in, or something.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

You can interpret it as you want, I'm not here to argue with people over this sort of thing. I made a forum that would allow for easy removal of chronic problems. The cliche example on these boards is Monte vrs Nitefox or Monte vrs the world. It's evident that it's not just Monte. If people argued in there over and over and were a constant problem, they'd be removed. It was never meant to be a "he was mean" or "he's wrong and wont admit it" or "as you clearly state is this post on june the 4th at 12:03... x,y,z is not allowed". I dont know why you need a mod to validate you.

The thread that caused all the reports was quite civil and composed by both people. The only problem was the repetition and drawn out arguments. Annoying but whatever, we've all done that. It was very easy to just disengage from it if you wanted to but that wasnt done. To then report 3 times, and that on top of a previous one, was spurious. The nature of the reports themselves, were frivolous including "laughing at a posters position". If that sort of thing is something you want moderated I dont know what to say to you. Once again, I dont know who you people think is going to arbitrate this and tell you all what you can and cant say. Have rules posted and thrown back at them. Have people whining nobody is 'doing their jobs" (my personal favorite). You all seem like nice people otherwise. The political threads though, they're the devils work. Everyone loses it and needs to win.

I know everyone wants their own thing and has their own idea of how it's done. Sorry if this isnt it, but you have options.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

I just am really confused and kind of scared that when the rules are nebulously defined and completely subjective, how you can declare something a frivolous report and warn them for making it. So far, the only thing you've shown to be out of bounds in that forum (especially since you didn't disclose the nature of the reports that you ruled "not worthy of moderatory action") is calling the referee and asking if something is illegal.

And that's a broken system.

I should point out that Hellfire's been civil, too, and hasn't been generating reports. Merge the two back. Heckfire's getting under a third of the combined traffic anyways, and a non-trivial amount of those thread-starts are your own. Heckfire just smacks to me of "this is my personal playground where I can kick people out arbitrarily but don't have to police it if I don't want to." That's a blog, not a forum.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I cannot disagree with most of what you said...except for the inclusion comment above, which is a bit deceptive. Hellfire hasn't been generating reports because people realized it was futile to report anything here. This forum is essentially unmoderated.

Other than that, I continually suggest the same things.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I don't see the number of reports for the past month and a half, so I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing there haven't been nearly enough for this thick-headed crew to "realize" much of anything.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Remember that the main catalyst for reports has been gone for the last month and a half as well.

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And so maybe now wasn't the best time for an experiment in **** around with the format or our discussion forum, since the main cause of strife was no longer here.

Just sayin'.

The Heckfire/Hellfire split/change was a bad idea from day one.

As was locking Hellfire for a few days when there was nothing wrong.

It was an overreaction by board admins who'd promised to keep their nose out of it. And when most of the glade disagreed with the reaction, you've gotta wonder if the invisible overlords maybe are overreaching their authority in what is a community of equals. This isn't your board, per se. You just are the most recent in a long string of hosts. If this one went down, we'd find another.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Has anyone really been terribly inconvenienced by the existence of Heckfire, though? I mean honestly, even if you don't think it was necessary, I don't see how it's a negative.

Complexity is a form of waste.

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Then allow me to repost what I presented in this thread's mirror:

This met with exactly the response I was expecting from the aforementioned chest-thumping gorilla. You see, I had the gall to question him and that is unforgivable. Incidentally, I suspect reports made by DFK in Heckfire were deleted and a warning issued to DFK precisely because it was DFK. You see, DFK also had the gall to question Dashel, and well, that's just how much personal integrity Dashel has.

We have a supposed zero-tolerance subforum that isn't moderated because Dash can't be assed to do so. He sure has the time to delete reports and issue warnings to the person who made the report, though. If the zero-tolerance subforum isn't going to be moderated, and is supposed to serve exactly the same purpose as Hellfire, only with more civility, then why does it need to exist? It's a second link to Hellfire, only the mod staff is lying to us about what rules will be enforced there. At least with Hellfire, they're upfront and honest about the fact that they aren't going to do their jobs. The other subforums don't require moderation, so that means the only real purpose for Heckfire is so that we all think the mods have a reason to exist. In a community of equals, Heckfire serves as a dubious justification to make a few people special voices of authority.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I appreciate the elaboration, Coro, but I guess I just don't get the difficulty in understanding Heckfire's intended culture. Basically, it's easy to get heated when discussing controversial topics, particularly on the internet, so Heckfire's separate existence serves as a reminder to keep our cool there, and the mods will step in when we fail to do so. Of course it'll be semi-arbitrary and subjective, because this isn't a formal debating society and the mods are only human, but they do their best to be fair and reasonable. And hey, I say that as one of the few people so far who actually did lose my sh*t in Heckfire and got dinged for it!

Not trying to be a suck-up to the mods or anything, but I really just can't wrap my head around the objections. *shrug*

My only objection is its redundant.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Heckfire was supposed to be Hellfire. As it was prior to creating Heckfire, anyway. Why Dash didn't leave hellfire alone and create a separate, unmoderated flame forum, I don't know, but if he had, that would be essentially the same as we've got now.

The question isn't "Is Heckfire superfluous?" but rather, "Do we really need an unmoderated area where I can tell Rangerdave to **** himself in the arse because he's a **** imbecilic arsehole; the product of a union between his whore of a mother and his goat-headed demonic father?"

I really don't think the latter is necessary.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I could agree with you, if it weren't for two very important points:

1) The whole purpose of having moderators was so that Hellfire could be cleaned up, and people would keep their cool there. That was the reason the board asked for moderators.

2) The reason this thread saw a resurgence in activity is because Heckfire is not being moderated, either.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Woot! There's my new sig. *grin*

I'd like to state, for the record, that Taly's genealogy would seem to contain an unprecedented amount of species diversity. Mostly down the line of Ovis Aries, but strangely, also containing traces of Solanum Tuberosum.

Fascinating.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Ab-so-lutely.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

What, do I look like a Scot to you?



Well, you are what you eat. Can't argue there...

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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On the contrary, I think you just made the best possible argument in favor of it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No, Kaffis and I look like Scots :p

****.

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Holy shitsnacks!