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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:33 pm 
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Diamondeye wrote:
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Resource management has never been a human strongpoint


I don't know how resource management could be "not a human strongpoint" since we have no other species to be strong or weak in relation to; only some idealized hypotheticals.

I agree with Aizle's statement, though its really a matter that humanity in general is very poor at long range planning, which is covers our lacking in resource management.


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Ladas wrote:
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Aizle wrote:
Resource management has never been a human strongpoint


I don't know how resource management could be "not a human strongpoint" since we have no other species to be strong or weak in relation to; only some idealized hypotheticals.

I agree with Aizle's statement, though its really a matter that humanity in general is very poor at long range planning, which is covers our lacking in resource management.



I believe Diamondeye's argument is "in comparison to what?" Since humans are the only species that engages in any long range planning, one could make an argument that we are the best species at long range planning! However, that still doesn't mean we're good enough at it.

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Ladas wrote:
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Resource management has never been a human strongpoint


I don't know how resource management could be "not a human strongpoint" since we have no other species to be strong or weak in relation to; only some idealized hypotheticals.

I agree with Aizle's statement, though its really a matter that humanity in general is very poor at long range planning, which is covers our lacking in resource management.


I'd agree with that assessment.


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Talya wrote:
I believe Diamondeye's argument is "in comparison to what?" Since humans are the only species that engages in any long range planning, one could make an argument that we are the best species at long range planning! However, that still doesn't mean we're good enough at it.

In my opinion, we don't need a comparison species to create an evaluation of ability... we need look no further than the historical and current evidence of poor resource management and long term vision.


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Ladas wrote:
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I believe Diamondeye's argument is "in comparison to what?" Since humans are the only species that engages in any long range planning, one could make an argument that we are the best species at long range planning! However, that still doesn't mean we're good enough at it.

In my opinion, we don't need a comparison species to create an evaluation of ability... we need look no further than the historical and current evidence of poor resource management and long term vision.


Additionally, as I mentioned a few posts back, there have been some individual humans or small groups of humans who have been good at it, so you have some basis of measurement there.

It should be noted, that I'm not at all advocating some of the rabid measures that some eco nuts advocate. I understand the realities of the real world. But one thing that I'm continually amazed by is garbage day. Now admittedly it's just me and my wife, but when I see similarly sized families and every week they toss out full to overflowing garbage bins, and my wife and I will sometimes go 2-3 weeks between actually rolling out the garbage can because it's not anywhere even near being full. It just boggles my mind.


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It's amazing how much extra garbage having children causes a family to generate. :(

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Ladas wrote:
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I believe Diamondeye's argument is "in comparison to what?" Since humans are the only species that engages in any long range planning, one could make an argument that we are the best species at long range planning! However, that still doesn't mean we're good enough at it.

In my opinion, we don't need a comparison species to create an evaluation of ability... we need look no further than the historical and current evidence of poor resource management and long term vision.


I don't know how you can make that assessment without a basis of comparison. I don't see any evidence of current or historical poor resource management, or any evidence of good management either. I have no idea if its possible as a practical matter to manage resources any better. It's certainly possible in a hypothetical sense, but that might invite costs in other areas.

I'm also not saying resource management can't be improved. I just dislike these sorts of comments that lament humanity, when we may very well be the best intelligent species int he universe at things like this. They seem to invite the idea that we could be doing better but aren't due to petty foibles, when in fact there are very real cost-benefit analysis to be made.

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