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Federal Reserve Must Disclose Bank Bailout Records
By David Glovin and Bob Van Voris

March 19 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve Board must disclose documents identifying financial firms that might have collapsed without the largest U.S. government bailout ever, a federal appeals court said.

The U.S. Court of Appeals in Manhattan ruled today that the Fed must release records of the unprecedented $2 trillion U.S. loan program launched primarily after the 2008 collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. The ruling upholds a decision of a lower-court judge, who in August ordered that the information be released.

The Fed had argued that disclosure of the documents threatens to stigmatize borrowers and cause them “severe and irreparable competitive injury,” discouraging banks in distress from seeking help. A three-judge panel of the appeals court rejected that argument in a unanimous decision.

The U.S. Freedom of Information Act, or FOIA, “sets forth no basis for the exemption the Board asks us to read into it,” U.S. Circuit Chief Judge Dennis Jacobs wrote in the opinion. “If the Board believes such an exemption would better serve the national interest, it should ask Congress to amend the statute.”

The opinion may not be the final word in the bid for the documents, which was launched by Bloomberg LP, the parent of Bloomberg News, with a November 2008 lawsuit. The Fed may seek a rehearing or appeal to the full appeals court and eventually petition the U.S. Supreme Court.

Right to Know

If today’s ruling is upheld or not appealed by the Fed, it will have to disclose the requested records. That may lead to “catastrophic” results, including demands for the instant disclosure of banks seeking help from the Fed, resulting in a “death sentence” for such financial institutions, said Chris Kotowski, a bank analyst at Oppenheimer & Co. in New York.

“Whenever the Fed extends funds to a bank, it should be disclosed in private to the Congressional oversight committees, but to release it to the public I think would be a horrific mistake,” Kotowski said in an interview. “It would stigmatize the banks, it would lead to all kinds of second-guessing of the Fed, and I don’t see what public purpose is served by it.”

Senator Bernie Sanders, an Independent from Vermont, said the decision was a “major victory” for U.S. taxpayers.

“This money does not belong to the Federal Reserve,” Sanders said in a statement. “It belongs to the American people, and the American people have a right to know where more than $2 trillion of their money has gone.”

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The Fed is reviewing the decision and considering its options for reconsideration or appeal, Fed spokesman David Skidmore said.

“We’re obviously pleased with the court’s decision, which is an important affirmation of the public’s right to know what its government is up to,” said Thomas Golden, a partner at New York-based Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP and Bloomberg’s outside counsel.

The court was asked to decide whether loan records are covered by FOIA. Historically, the type of government documents sought in the case has been protected from public disclosure because they might reveal competitive trade secrets.

The Fed had argued that it could withhold the information under an exemption that allows federal agencies to refuse disclosure of “trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential.”

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The Clearing House Association, which processes payments among banks, joined the case and sided with the Fed. The group includes ABN Amro Bank NV, a unit of Royal Bank of Scotland Plc, Bank of America Corp., The Bank of New York Mellon Corp., Citigroup Inc., Deutsche Bank AG, HSBC Holdings Plc, JPMorgan Chase & Co., US Bancorp and Wells Fargo & Co.

Paul Saltzman, general counsel for the Clearing House, said the decision did not address the “fundamental issue” of whether disclosure would “competitively harm” borrower banks.

“The Second Circuit declined to follow the decisions of other circuit courts recognizing that disclosure of certain confidential information can impair the effectiveness of government programs, such as lending programs,” Saltzman said in a statement.

The Clearing House is considering whether to ask for a rehearing by the full Second Circuit and, ultimately, review by the U.S. Supreme Court, he said.

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Oscar Suris, a spokesman for Wells Fargo, JPMorgan spokeswoman Jennifer Zuccarelli, Bank of New York Mellon spokesman Kevin Heine, HSBC spokeswoman Juanita Gutierrez and RBS spokeswoman Linda Harper all declined to comment. Deutsche Bank spokesman Ronald Weichert couldn’t immediately comment. Bank of America declined to comment, Scott Silvestri said. Citigroup spokeswoman Shannon Bell declined to comment. U.S. Bancorp spokesman Steve Dale didn’t return phone and e-mail messages seeking comment.

Bloomberg, majority-owned by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, sued after the Fed refused to name the firms it lent to or disclose loan amounts or assets used as collateral under its lending programs. Most of the loans were made in response to the deepest financial crisis since the Great Depression.

Lawyers for Bloomberg argued in court that the public has the right to know basic information about the “unprecedented and highly controversial use” of public money.

“Bloomberg has been trying for almost two years to break down a brick wall of secrecy in order to vindicate the public’s right to learn basic information,” Golden wrote in court filings.

Potential Harm

Banks and the Fed warned that bailed-out lenders may be hurt if the documents are made public, causing a run or a sell- off by investors. Disclosure may hamstring the Fed’s ability to deal with another crisis, they also argued.

Much of the debate at the appeals court argument on Jan. 11 centered on the potential harm to banks if it was revealed that they borrowed from the Fed’s so-called discount window. Matthew Collette, a lawyer for the government, said banks don’t do that unless they have liquidity problems.

FOIA requires federal agencies to make government documents available to the press and public. An exception to the statute protects trade secrets and privileged or confidential financial data. In her Aug. 24 ruling, U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska in New York said the exception didn’t apply because there’s no proof banks would suffer.

Tripartite Test

In its opinion today, the appeals court said that the exception applies only if the agency can satisfy a three-part test. The information must be a trade secret or commercial or financial in character; must be obtained from a person; and must be privileged or confidential, according to the opinion.

The court said that the information sought by Bloomberg was not “obtained from” the borrowing banks. It rejected an alternative argument the individual Federal Reserve Banks are “persons,” for purposes of the law because they would not suffer the kind of harm required under the “privileged and confidential” requirement of the exemption.

In a related case, U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein in New York previously sided with the Fed and refused to order the agency to release Fed documents that Fox News Network sought. The appeals court today returned that case to Hellerstein and told him to order the Fed to conduct further searches for documents and determine whether the documents should be disclosed.

“We are pleased that this information is finally, and rightfully, going to be made available to the American public,” said Kevin Magee, Executive Vice President of Fox Business Network, in a statement.

Balance Sheet Debt

The Fed’s balance sheet debt doubled after lending standards were relaxed following Lehman’s failure on Sept. 15, 2008. That year, the Fed began extending credit directly to companies that weren’t banks for the first time since the 1930s. Total central bank lending exceeded $2 trillion for the first time on Nov. 6, 2008, reaching $2.14 trillion on Sept. 23, 2009.

More than a dozen other groups or companies filed friend- of-the-court briefs. Those arguing for disclosure of the records included the American Society of News Editors and individual news organizations.

“It’s gratifying that the court recognizes the considerable interest in knowing what is being done with our tax dollars,” said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press in Arlington, Virginia.

“We’ve learned some powerful lessons in the last 18 months that citizens need to pay more attention to what’s going on in the financial world. This decision will make it easier to do that.”

The case is Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 09-04083, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit (New York).

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The Fed had argued that disclosure of the documents threatens to stigmatize borrowers and cause them “severe and irreparable competitive injury,” discouraging banks in distress from seeking help. A three-judge panel of the appeals court rejected that argument in a unanimous decision.


Regardless of the legal status, you realize this argument is basically correct, right? If bailouts are disclosed, they become worthless wastes of money. No one will want to do business with those banks.


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These banks either will all go into failure anyway eventually, or they will forever need to be propped up and regulated by the federal government, which will wind up collapsing itself under the weight of propping up a failed financial and economic system. This process will also strip individuals of liberties. I find the best option to allow the financial system to collapse now, rather than dragging it out, and establishing a precedent of socialist totalitarianism in the process.

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The Fed had argued that disclosure of the documents threatens to stigmatize borrowers and cause them “severe and irreparable competitive injury,” discouraging banks in distress from seeking help. A three-judge panel of the appeals court rejected that argument in a unanimous decision.


Regardless of the legal status, you realize this argument is basically correct, right? If bailouts are disclosed, they become worthless wastes of money. No one will want to do business with those banks.

Then the bailouts should be rethought. What you're advocating is essentially creating a massive slush fund to invisibly finance failure, with no means for oversight.

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I fail to see what this thread has to do with my massive sexiness.

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Rynar wrote:
These banks either will all go into failure anyway eventually, or they will forever need to be propped up and regulated by the federal government, which will wind up collapsing itself under the weight of propping up a failed financial and economic system.


Not necessarily. I agree that it's possible, but it's not certain.

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This process will also strip individuals of liberties. I find the best option to allow the financial system to collapse now, rather than dragging it out, and establishing a precedent of socialist totalitarianism in the process.


I find it interesting how you see economic collapse as a solution. It might not collapse with the fed's help for decades, or maybe never. If it doesn't end up collapsing, then you will seem very foolish for advocating its collapse.


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I find it interesting how you see economic collapse as a solution. It might not collapse with the fed's help for decades, or maybe never. If it doesn't end up collapsing, then you will seem very foolish for advocating its collapse.

Doom and gloom's been the forecast for more than a year now. The ship's battered and the bilge pumps are going full bore, but she's riding higher in the water now and the sky's clearing... still, there are folks are calling "abandon ship, this is not a drill".

I think it's a testament of the soundness of the ship that the solutions haven't swamped her.

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The ship's battered and the bilge pumps are going full bore, but she's riding higher in the water now and the sky's clearing... still, there are folks are calling "abandon ship, this is not a drill".

I think it's a testament of the soundness of the ship that the solutions haven't swamped her.
This isn't really true at all.

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The ship's battered and the bilge pumps are going full bore, but she's riding higher in the water now and the sky's clearing... still, there are folks are calling "abandon ship, this is not a drill".

I think it's a testament of the soundness of the ship that the solutions haven't swamped her.
This isn't really true at all.

I remember an exchange last year - imminent failure was suggested and I replied that there are enough folks that can put their heads together to fix the problems enough to get past the emergency.

The ability to print money is a pretty powerful tool. I'd never claim it was used appropriately, but it was used effectively.

We've screwed our kids so we can have a better life. I'd rather have let things crash, but I wasn't consulted.

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Taskiss:

Just looks good on the paper the government is pushing. Bank failures should exceed 2009 totals this quarter as we see the first wave of commercial bonds and regional construction loans start failing. Unemployment is still rising in real terms (the government numbers have become so doctored as to be unintelligible and meaningless). It's getting worse and the sky is far from clearing.

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Yeah the FDIC has already been bailed out and is forceasting 300+ bank failures due in 2010.

Our ship is sinking Taskiss but you're entrhalled by the man sweating profusely and shouting "Everything's fine" as the water reaches his ankles.

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Yeah the FDIC has already been bailed out and is forceasting 300+ bank failures due in 2010.

Our ship is sinking Taskiss but you're entrhalled by the man sweating profusely and shouting "Everything's fine" as the water reaches his ankles.

From what I remember, had I listened to you I'd be going on my second year in some underground bunker, sure there was only ruin and despair above.

At least the sweating man hasn't already been proven wrong.

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He was only off in his time table, and even then not by much. Had the people been less apathetic and resigned, he may even have been right about that.

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He was only off in his time table, and even then not by much. Had the people been less apathetic and resigned, he may even have been right about that.

DAMN them for not laying down and dying on schedule!

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LOL, actually, the irony is that they did lay down and die, figuratively speaking.

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Yeah the FDIC has already been bailed out and is forceasting 300+ bank failures due in 2010.

Our ship is sinking Taskiss but you're entrhalled by the man sweating profusely and shouting "Everything's fine" as the water reaches his ankles.

From what I remember, had I listened to you I'd be going on my second year in some underground bunker, sure there was only ruin and despair above.

At least the sweating man hasn't already been proven wrong.


Not at all Taskiss. If you had LISTENED to me, instead of imagining what I thought you would likely currently still be working and building up reserves. Which is exactly what I am doing (cause I listen to myself). Last year I believe I stated several times that we would see a period of artificial recovery while we gasped our last breath. The collapse won't come until the inflation hits. We are still losing jobs, we are still losing banks, the pretty words on tv cannot change these facts.

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That's the great thing about saying the world will end tomorrow. If it doesn't, your sign still could be right.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
That's the great thing about saying the world will end tomorrow. If it doesn't, your sign still could be right.

Bill Engvall's standing joke comes to mind...

Here's your sign!

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