The Glade 4.0

No.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I believe the vast majority of the organization fits this bill and always has. Sadly, it's culture is clearly displaying some vulnerability to unscrupulous or simply flat out stupid employees. The trouble is that this organization, which has done good work in this country, is going to get dragged down by this scandal.

The film makers know that their findings are in any way indicative of an organizational policy. They took their videos for a political purpose, and they did a fantastic job of that. If they bring the organization down, I hope they understand the very real harm they did to all the people out there that the honest members of that organization help every day.



I totally agree. They need a serious overhaul, and perhaps this scandal will help with that.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I think considering this "tatic" is even considered by folks, shows what the system has evolved into. Everyone is playing the "gotcha" game, in the media, in politics, in entertainment. We've got a bad case of schadenfreude going on, and it only gets worse as we support it by watching.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I look outside the window of my place of employment, and I see a group of Tea Party protesters with signs that tell me I'm a terrorist because I voted for Obama. I see the screaming at the town hall meetings, the guns at peaceful rallies, and I truly weep for my country and the hate that has once again boiled to the surface.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

But I see the other side using the same voice that was used against them for 8 years, the voice that villified their religious and social beliefs. I see people yelling at town meetings because their voice is being ignored yet again. I see responsible citizens obeying the law and embracing their rights, refusing to be lumped in with gangbangers, rednecks and other criminals.

But I weep for my country for another reason, because neither side wants compromise, both wants to force the other to comply with their own beliefs, and there can never be middle ground because of it.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

No peaceful protest by the left *ever* involved loaded assault rifles and calls for bloody, violent revolution, and certainly not as frequently as these Tea Party protests do. There were certainly enough insulting and inflammatory things said and waved at those protests, but nothing compares to carrying a loaded assault rifle.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

The march on the GOP convention turned violent. There were multiple instances of threats against GW and other right leaning politicians during left leaning protests. I don't know of any instance of a Tea Party protest setting fire to a bank. BOTH sides have their fringe element being magnifyed by the media. If you really wanted to, I'm sure we could go instance for instance for pages.

Onto the loaded "assault" rifle. Such a loaded term and I really hate it because it plays off peoples ignorance. What you are labeling an assault rifle, if I take off the scary black plastic, becomes an acceptable varmint hunting rifle, and noone will bat an eyelash at it. It's sometimes referred to as rifle racism. Take the black off it, and it stops scaring white people.

It was a protest, and that was some people peacefully using their second and first amendment rights at the same time. Not sneaking around, just being there. And they knew it would get the far left into a tizzy. The same far left that seemed to forget the Black Panthers being armed during their protests of the President, or at the Philly polling sites. They were far more vocal, militant, and they threatened violence explictly.

I have no need for a tit for tat here, but we are focusing on the non issues here instead of the core problems that are spurring on the fringe behavior.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

So what if people had rifles?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

DE - If you don't understand *why* bringing a loaded assault rifle to a rally near a presidential event, slung over your shoulder, standing with people calling for a violent overthrow of government is disturbing, I don't know that I can explain it. Especially since at least one of the people in question had been in church when his pastor called for Obama's death the day before.


This is interesting -

The filmmakers seem to be lying about never being rebuffed by ACORN. They have been on Television making that claim, but the office in Philly not only sent them packing once they got into the details about girls from El Salvador, etc, but they also filed a police report -

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This brings their integrity into serious question. CNN picked up that detail, and have a copy of that police report on file.

O'keefe continues to claim that no office ever rebuffed them, but that's clearly a lie. He was sent away from this office, and they filed a report.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

You seem to be conflating a number of different events in a number of different places, and relying on things like who someone was "standing with." In fact, when you refer to "the people in question", that's really just confusing; do you mean the people carrying rifles or the people being stood with? I also don't know how you know where any of these people were the day before or what their pastor called for. How many different incidents are you talking about here?

So no, I don't see much of anything disturbing, especially since you seem to see calls for violence in places and statemens I don't.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You see guns at peaceful rallies.

Note - you did not see the guns at violent rallies.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

From where iI sit I watched for eight years the population mock and deride the office of the president, portray him for 8 years as Hitler, A ape, and incompetent. The numbers wish for his death where staggering. I have seen children being murdered in the womb in the name of society. Leftists riot in the cities burning banks, and elf terrorits torch other peoples hard work. I have watched my elected officals mock, castigate, and call me a raccist, a terrorist, and a domestic threat for wanting to be left alone from their meddling.

All I have learned is that this appeals to emotion garbage is easier to write then a letter to pent house. It contributes nothing.

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

I've been on vacation for a few days and haven't been able to keep up on current events or respond to this thread till today. In light of the further video releases, I have to say - you were right, I was wrong. Though my point still stands, I have to agree with you now, ACORN appears to have some serious organizational problems.

Big thumbs up for your integrity, Tel.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Indeed. MAjor props there, bro.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 13404.html

Barney Frank is all for an investigation...of the ones video taping. Didn't a lover of his run something illegal out of one of his residences once? I honestly forget.

The part that really has me laughing is



Another hypocrite politician, but we knew Frank was scum

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"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."
— Alan Moore

[quote="Uncle Fester"Didn't a lover of his run something illegal out of one of his residences once? I honestly forget.
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A brothel.

Synchronicity, or scum - you be the judge.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko