The Glade 4.0

http://townhall.com/columnists/MikeAdam ... sobedience

I could get behind this. They'd run out of prison room soon enough.

Meh. I'm less broken up about the abortion thing than the being forced to buy government mandated insurance thing.

And my apathy is kicking in really hard. I just can't be bothered to really care anymore. They're just going to do whatever the hell they want no matter what the people seem to want.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Civil disobedience should come after civil obedience... getting out and voting.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Which is exactly what they're counting on.

I didn't read the article, but I'm guessing it's anti-abortion folks who are planning on not paying taxes. I think those opposed to abortion should do this. It makes sense, and is a related and appropriate response.

I think it's pretty terrible to force people to pay taxes for a program they view is killing babies. I can certainly understand the animosity toward that.

Yes, I'm totally convinced that the motive of this author is to avoid funding abortions, not financial gain. He doesn't even bother to explain how Obama's executive order fails to prevent federal funding of abortion, let alone how the actual bill fails to prevent it. But he sure does a great job as painting the entire Democratic party and all Democrats as willful conspirators in a actual child-murdering conspiracy. Not actually something vaguely plausible like political or financial gain, an actual baby-killing conspiracy, because we know that every pro-choice person just loves the idea of abortions and tries to maximize how many are performed.

I wonder, if this guy actually has the balls to refuse to pay taxes, who wants to bet he'll refuse to pay them entirely under this excuse, rather than just avoid paying the ones demanded by the health care plan?

Is this a felony?

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Except, the problem with this philosophy is that civil obedience will not correct the problem.

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I am not yet ready to give up on legal, law abiding, mechanisms for change. Ask me again in nine months.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

This.

I wish we had a system by which the voters could vote a "No-Confidence" or something. Every 2/4/6 years is too long when **** happens.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Too long. People will forget, and we'll have a 30% turnout at the polls, and it'll be all status quo again.

I'm beginning to think Elmo has the right idea sometimes.

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Holy shitsnacks!

IMO, if my tax dollars pays for one abortion, that's one too many. So your rant is pretty irrelevant; it does not matter how many Democrats or Republicans are pro-abortion. And I agree that change should be done by the voters in Nov., however, in this case pro-life folks need to be proactive rather than reactive. If we're reactive, it's because a baby has been killed and we helped pay for it. That's not something I want on my conscience. Unfortunately, since Obama changed the rules for foreign aid, it's highly likely that we pro-lifers have already funded abortions in other countries.

It also makes a ton of assumptions.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

How are your tax dollars being used to pay for abortions, Ber? Honest question, not a gotcha. Are we talking about indirect funding - e.g. someone qualifies for a federal voucher/subsidy for insurance, and they use it to help pay for a private insurance plan that covers abortion? If so, I don't see why that's any worse than the status quo. Basically any taxes you pay or money you spend buying things ends up giving other people more money with which they can go and pay for an abortion.

Obviously not Bery, and I'm not pretending to speak for him, but in at least part of his response, he references the action that Obama took on his first (or was it second?) day in office that vacated Bush's EO barring federal assistance funds from going to foreign organizations that provide abortions. It might be a stretch to some, but the federal government is potentially funding abortions in a more or less direct route. To be fair though, if I recall the articles correctly, Bush Sr. signed the EO that forbade the practice, Clinton signed and EO that vacated Bush Sr.'s order, Bush Jr. vacated Clinton's and Obaman killed Bush's.


I don't follow this very much, but I believe this is actually a direct change from the status quo, as it applies to current federal law, and the EO that Obama signed is supposed to enforce the current laws as it applies to the Healthcare package. That of course is part of the objection, if I understand it correctly, in that an EO can be changed by the next president (see above about foreign aid), or even by this president should he so decide.

Out of curiosity Bery, are you ok with your tax dollars going to pay for the killing of people in Iraq and Afghanistan? What about death row inmates? Or paying for the cops that occasionally have to kill people in the line of their duty?

Last time I read it, the Bible was pretty all encompassing on it's whole Thou Shall Not Kill thing. Seems to me if you're doing to go along with this then you should have been doing this kind of protest years ago during Vietnam, Gulf 1 & 2, etc.

The "kill" part is very clear that it means murder. In the same law given by God, it required the people of Israel to put a man to death for killing another man. Give it a rest.

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The Dude abides.

Ok, fine. Are you niave enough to think that we don't commit murder in our various black ops organizations? The point is still valid.

I'm not prepared to accuse people of murder when 1) I don't know who is getting killed and 2) the reason why they are getting killed. That's beside the point though because we're not supposed to be unjustly putting anybody to death. Since I'm not privy to the information these supposed black ops guys are getting, I don't have enough information to develop righteous anger.

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The Dude abides.

Those who kill as directed in military service aren't guilty of murder

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Naivite has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Murder is unlawful killing. Killing by "black-ops" (a rather hollywoodish term, by the way) is sanctioned by the government. It is therefore not murder.

It's also absurd in any case to compare killing of grown people to abortion. Part of the anti-abortion argument is that a baby is completely innocent; it has had no opportunity to commit any wrong of any kind. That does not apply to adults, whether you want to argue it religiously or secularly.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I find it very interesting how people will rationalize killing people.

I find it very interesting that I'm awesome.

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The Dude abides.

That's nice.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I believe Aizle's using the term "murder" in a moral sense, not a legal one.