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Kaffis Mark V
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Please. Trek is barely, if any at all (and, really, it varies episode to episode), harder sf than Star Wars. It *might* rate a 1 on Mohs Scale of Science Fiction. But any pretense of Trek actually being hard science fiction is pretty farcical.

Hell, BSG and Firefly clank more than Trek.

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Its way harder Sci Fi than Star Wars. Holy hell SW things just happen to fit the plot, ST problems get thought through.

One series uses real terminology, the other thinks a parsec is a measurement of time.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Its way harder Sci Fi than Star Wars. Holy hell SW things just happen to fit the plot, ST problems get thought through.

One series uses real terminology, the other thinks a parsec is a measurement of time.


You're reaching man. Trek and Wars are both below a 2 on a Sci Fi Hardness scale.

Trek uses real made up terminology that fits the plot and thinks if you go infinite speed you'll devolve into a salamander.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
the other thinks a parsec is a measurement of time.

Well, no. The Kessel Run measures both the power of your hyperdrive as well as the aggressiveness of your hyperspace plotting in navigating a section of space dense with black holes. Thus, the shorter your path, the closer you've plotted to black holes' gravity wells while avoiding a hyperspace mishap.

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Its way harder Sci Fi than Star Wars. Holy hell SW things just happen to fit the plot, ST problems get thought through.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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One series uses real terminology, the other thinks a parsec is a measurement of time.


One series regularly abuses real terminology.

SW does not think a parsec is a measure of time. This has been explained repeatedly. The reason Solo says he has done the Kessel run in "less than 12 parsecs" is because the Falcon can cut closer to the Maw cluster than any other smuggling ship, thus reducing the distance he had to fly to make it.

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Han Solo claimed that his Millennium Falcon "made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs". A parsec was a unit of distance, not time. Solo was not referring directly to his ship's speed when he made this claim. Instead, he was referring to the shorter route he was able to travel by skirting the nearby Maw black hole cluster, thus making the run in under the standard distance.


George Lucas says so too

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The Falcon is often connected to the Kessel Run, a pathway from Kessel past the Maw Black Hole Cluster used by smugglers to transport precious Glitterstim spice.[8] Solo in A New Hope brags that the Falcon made the Kessel Run in "less than twelve parsecs". As this is a unit of distance, not time, different explanations have been provided. In the Expanded Universe, it refers to his ability to move the ship closer to the Maw's black holes and therefore cut the distance traveled.[8] On the A New Hope DVD audio commentary, Lucas comments that, in the Star Wars universe, traveling through hyperspace requires careful navigation to avoid stars, planets, asteroids, and other obstacles,[9] and that since no long-distance journey can be made in a straight line, the "fastest" ship is the one that can plot the "most direct course", thereby traveling the least distance.[9] The novelization backs away and changes the line to "twelve Standard Time Units."

Solo's twelve-parsec Kessel Run, the bet that won him the ship from Calrissian, and how he modified it over time, are all depicted in the novel Rebel Dawn by A. C. Crispin.[10] (However, the Falcon makes its debut in the previous book in the trilogy, The Hutt Gambit, as Calrissian's personal ship.) In Dark Horse Comics' "The Kessel Run", Solo mentions a scam that Calrissian uses to win money back from Solo after losing the Falcon to him

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George Lucas says so too
George thought Jar Jar was a good idea too. Then he promoted Jar Jar to General, and then a delegate for the Galactic Senate.

Hardly a ringing endorsement.

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George Lucas says so too
George thought Jar Jar was a good idea too. Then he promoted Jar Jar to General, and then a delegate for the Galactic Senate.

Hardly a ringing endorsement.


George's occasionally ill-advised decisions about how his universe should work doesn't change the fact that he's the final authority on how it does work.

Jar-Jar does indeed stand as the greatest atrocity in SW history, but really in a galaxy with enough inhabited planets and species to support over 6 million forms of communication, you'd sort of expect a few that cross the line into "absurd".

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