The Glade 4.0

Ber, I'm sorry that it happend. Shaking your cane at the populance however will not get anything more than giggles and eye rolls.

Take a deep breath and be happy with your own relationship with god. Celebrate and be merry for his resurrection... share your excitment with those that appreciate and forgive those who do not.

And if you find any room in your celebration for chocolates, remember that I always take unwanted orphaned chocolate bunnies... it's what I'm doing for the holiday spirit, adopting chocolates ^-^

Nah, Arafys, your internet persona is a moose in rut, might be alternative, but...

For the most part, so did most everyone else that's not as fanatically devout as Bery.[/quote]

C'mon man, that's just silly and adding "fanatically" is a bit childish.



That's your opinion, and frankly not too well thought-out. Making comments about Jesus not being able to get a hard-on because blood-loss and because he was nailed to a cross, so he should take Viagra is really not mild if you consider how people feel about Jesus.



This has nothing to do with people's faith being brittle, it's about common decency. People taking pot shots at what may well be the central figure in someone's life isn't going to shatter their faith, it will only create animosity.

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Oh, I know this. May as well talk to the wall as to some of the folks here. Fortunately that does not apply to everyone, just a few idiots.

This. So, so this. I laugh at the people who on one side tell me how close minded I am and silly for not agreeing with them on something then turn around and insult and demean me because they disagree with something I believe in.

I was waiting for someone to take a dump in the thread. I knew it would happen.

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I find it ever-increasingly humorous that you can't do this yourself.

To the rest,
We all know this thead isn't going to change any opinions, or right any wrongs. I urge everyone to just walk away from this.

Dunno if you recall, but way, way back we had an agreement that folks would hold religious holiday threads off-limits. Christians would stay out of wiccan holiday threads (at least with any negative comments at all), for instance, and Christians could celebrate without concern of pagan or other non-believers messing up the threads. I thought it worked pretty good and I didn't know that agreement had been thrown in the trash. That's too bad, it gave a certain civility to the board that obviously is now diminished.

Meh. You can get all bent out of shape about it, or you can mark Taly as an ignorant heathen ***** that's obviously going straight to hell and Charlie Mike.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Or, I can prefer the civility of giving religious holiday threads a pass. There is plenty of opportunity to discuss/argue religion as it is.

or maybe through the different boards, some newer people might not have known about this, or people might have forgotten.

We've all been here so long that we do not give each other the curtesy that we would give to a stranger.

Again Ber, I'm sorry your thread was ruined and your feelings were hurt, but I hope you had a good day never the less and something on the internet did not ruin it for you. If this was the case, than let it go and move on.

You're arguing what should have been. I'm arguing after the fact.

For the most part, I'm with Lyds on this.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Wise beyond your years Lydiaa!! Heed her words Bery, and let's all move on!

/hugs

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"Fill your hand you son of a *****!"

I had a great day, thanks, and I didn't know this happened until a few hours ago. *shrug* I just wanna know what's acceptable in General now. Is General now an extension of Hellfire, where any thread can be devolved into being shipped off to Hellfire by people with no fear of repercussions to the attacker? It's not really a game I want to play nor do I think the board would benefit from such a change.

I saw the thread literally as I was heading out the door to the gym. I saw Lenas appeal for everyone to calm down and I hoped that'd be the end of it.

For what it's worth, I get that it's frustrating. I dont know why people feel the need to do this either. Riov seems like he just couldnt help himself while Talya is who she is. I dont know if it's deliberate trolling, some sort of self aggrandizement, social retardation or what.

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As a group, we are geeks at the core with limited social skills. Individually, in real life, we're probably a lot cooler than we act on the boards.

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No, its not. It is the same way it always has been. See a problem, report it. The mods should mod from there.

They have *never* been proactive as far as I can remember on this incarnation of the boards. They're not going to police every thread. If there's a problem, tell them with the report post button.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I don't know what you're talking about Michael... There are no geeks here... nope.. can't see any >.>

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!!! /covers ears and starts to sing lalalalalala

Ok, thanks. I understand, but I really want to appeal to the better part of ourselves: Let the religious holiday threads pass. If you can't comment without taking shots, please don't comment and let those who have a joy in the religious aspects of the holiday celebrate together on this board. And not just for the Christians; I am going to hold myself to the same standard and not invade religious holiday threads of people who don't believe as I do.

We can be better than this, folks.

The man was brutally beaten and tourtured to death. I'm sure a few less than glib remarks wouldn't bother him to the point where he was incapable of forgiving any slights.

If you really want to celebrate what he did, then follow the example and get over it.

The whiney victim card is annoying. Yes, Christians are persecuted. Just be glad they don't own lions.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I purposefully stay out of Hellfire just to avoid stuff like this. When did the General forum turn into Hellfire? When did it become OK to take shots at people and their threads? I find myself spending less and less time here because the quality of the posts and interactions has been steadily declining. I rarely go into the General Section anymore. I spend most of my time in Entertainment, Gaming, and sometimes Tech. I guess there aren't many taboo subjects in those sections to get people all riled up.

Didn't your parents ever teach you people any manners? If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. I'm sure many of you use the anonymous nature of the internet to your advantage. I'm quite sure that you wouldn't act this way in a public setting, somewhere in "Real Life." Does Taly make it a point to burst into every church that she passes, and make some rude comment or joke about Jesus and/or Christians? If so, then she should probably find another hobby. Come on, people.

I agree with Bery, religious flavored posts in the General section should be off-limits. Hellfire stuff is fair game. You guys go ahead and piss in each others' cheerios all you want in there. I'll stay out of it. But if someone makes a post in General about something that they believe very strongly in, have the common decency to stay the hell out of it, if you don't have anything worthy to add.

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I would still be willing to bet a bottled flavored water that more than half of the people on this board are still amused by fart and poop jokes.

But I do agree (to a point) with Bery. There was no need for the tactless posts; Hell I would have loved to pop off with the greeting I was giving people IRL on Sunday, but I just said "happy easter" to try and not be a jerk. It really isn't that hard to do.

But I also agree that creating a thread now complaining about it is doing nothing constructive. I just posted in this thread because Micheal said we were cooler than we act... so I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that most of us are still geeks... amused by farts, how cool can we really be?

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Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

I'm sorry it was derailed. I didn't post at all because I was not online much over the weekend, but I would have wished Easter blessings to you, Bery, if I had.

I may not be Christian any longer, but I understand the importance of the holiday, and the hope and joy that it entails. (Send a little my way, please!)

I'm with Lydiaa. Let it go. Your faith is unshakable, and it's safe to ignore the internet postings that derailed the thread. We are imperfect, and make mistakes, and sometimes we are needlessly mean. Focus instead on what is meaningful to you and those you love.

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I agree, and thank you.

Thank you. This thread isn't really about shaking my faith or any such thing. It's about civility and the difference between Hellfire and General, when it comes down to it. I deliberately posted that thread in General so as to avoid the very thing that ended up happening, and I think the people who were (IMO) out of line did not do the community any favors. One would think that the mods would be at least somewhat zealous about keeping Hellfire from spilling over into General, but now it seems not to be so.

Just pre-emptively, here, I'm not trying to pick on Lenas with this post. I was considering PMing him this feedback (my usual course of action when I have feedback or input on moderation) when I saw the thread locked with no moderatorial ruling on the contents, but then saw the matter being discussed more generally and publically here. So I'm contributing in this avenue, instead.

Let me start off by quoting the board rules, as posted by Talya on November 9, 2009


I ellided some of the specific examples for (some) brevity, and emphasized sections I would apply to the behavior (or, in some cases, the implicit tone evident) in the thread in question.


Personally, I don't care what the motivation was, that is, it doesn't matter to me whether it was "deliberate" trolling or not. If something's a flame, it's against the rules, and there should be action taken against it. Now, I wasn't refreshing to see the shitstorm brewing, so I wasn't able to either report posts or post a nice little image of the report button as a reminder for others to go ahead and do so if they were upset at the behavior in the thread. I had gone and copied the URL for the button's image already when I noticed it was locked, in fact. However, I think it's telling about the dissatisfaction with the action taken to uphold the purported standards that nobody else thought to report something. And, to be honest, Lenas' "unofficial" hey-let's-play-nice post is one of the reasons for that kind of thing, I think. He obviously felt that this had the potential to devolve, because he moved it. If you're going to move or lock a thread, your moderator hat's on. Come in and give warnings when you do. I know the temptation is to try to keep it off and plead for calmer heads, but if you're going to put it on, there really needs to be some judgement laid down on the contents of the thread, whether it's been reported or not. After all, it got moved without a report, and locked without one, too. So saying "but it wasn't reported" isn't an excuse -- there was moderation going on, but it was the typical, toothless moderation that really wears down people's patience, confidence, and faith in the impartiality and authority of the system. It's that erosion that leads to the unrest and hot tempers, as people see things as being unfair or the administration taking sides, so why not just take the gloves off if the cops are corrupt or lazy anyways?


Except, Lenas did police the thread. Twice. He moved it to Hellfire (which, holy crap! Moving a thread to Hellfire is a tacit encouragement for the thread to devolve further, is that really the best destination to send an originally inoffensive, celebratory religious thread on its way to?), and then locked it. IMO, if there's a lock going down, there should be warnings at the least, even if they're thrown at both sides. Locking a thread is a declaration that the thread is so rife with rules-breaking and violations that the original content and tone cannot be recovered. To declare this and then not take some action to condemn the behavior that put it in that state is flabbergasting to me. (I suppose that some exception could be made for locks to consolidate or the like, but even then, the moderatory judgement is "there's a thread already covering this over here, continue the discussion there" and no punishable actions were made by the other posters)

And, just for good measure, this is made more bothersome by the suggestion that Heckfire is "zero-tolerance." It never occurred to me to ask before now, does that apply to the rest of the non-Hellfire subforums (i.e., the ones in which free reign has not been declared)? If not, isn't it silly to hold our standard of respect and behavior to a higher standard in one of the controversial, political forum than in the social lets-have-fun forums?

Finally, even with the moving and locking of the original thread, and more responses from moderators and administrators in this thread raising the question, it still hasn't been answered whether or not making jokes about other religions in their celebratory threads is acceptable and appropriate behavior on these boards. As always, I'm okay with "the reported post/content of the locked thread does not merit disciplinary action" as a response to a report or as the judgement in a thread-lock announcement. But it's your job as mods and admins to make that judgement, whichever way it falls, when you're doing something moderatory, so that we know what's okay and what's not.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Please re-read what I wrote and try to defend your suggestion that I implied such a thing.

Seriously... knowing that something is a likelihood and taking steps to avoid it doesn't mean the thing is OK. For example: as a woman I know that walking in bad areas for town while showing expensive items is a bad idea, so I don't do it. That doesn't mean muggings are acceptable, and it doesn't mean victims are responsible for what happened... but it does mean that they could have been more vigilant and shouldn't be terribly surprised by the outcome.

So,... my precise position is "This sucks, but you're surprised?" with a side order of 'You thread got ugly because it was treated with the same respect everything around here is: none. This isn't about being a poor persecuted Christian, it's how this place is. "