The Glade 4.0

That seems more than a bit over the top, Taskiss. All I've seen evidence of is that Ber is a flawed human being, just like the rest of us.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Oh, no worries! You haven't any control over me... I've put you behind me and I'm free of your vileness.

You're known by your works, and you've worked to build the rift between Christians and non-Christians for years here... but I got your number, you son of a *****. There's nothing of love, compassion or forgiveness in your works, and by your works you'll be known.

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Thanks, Rynar, but please let it go. Everything happens for a reason, and God can use even the worst of revilings for good to His own. God is allowing this for a reason, I'm good with that.

Anything else? Did you run out of stuff to say?

Oh, no, I'll not ever! You goad to try to inspire anger, same way you twisted this group of folks so you can feed, but I haven't any anger, I just understand you for what you are, deceiver.

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In time, this too shall pass.

And now, in this thread, Bery trolls his own thread.

Beryllin, I'm not going to join Taskiss in his accusations that you're an agent of Satan quoting scripture when it serves him, but I think the mere fact that somebody could walk away from your posts with that notion might cause you to consider how effective your proselytizing is here.

I've always been bemused that you seem more intent and dedicated to telling the choir they're damned than actually trying to expose people who don't even *think* they know Christ to Him and His love. At least, that's the way your efforts on this board come off. I'm sure you think you have good reasons for what you do, but look at how many self-professed Christians on this board react to your aggressive assaults and insistence that your understanding of Christ is magically more thorough than theirs, your personal relationship with Him more true than theirs.

You really seem to have adopted, in some supreme state of hubris, this notion that you're some modern day Apostle with all the answers, and that if you force yourself into some kind of position of mentorship with everybody you meet, God will use you in their lives. It doesn't work that way.

Perhaps you should think about who on this board a fellow Christian having a crisis of faith might be more inclined to feel comfortable seeking strength, support, and guidance from -- you, who is at the center of all kinds of contention even between (or, more accurately, with) the Christians here, or somebody with the quiet conviction and attitude of setting an example of living a Christ-like life of, say, Screeling, or FarSky?

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

There is no need for me to goad you. *shrug* I figure you'll run out of vitriol soon enough and return to a more rational human being.

When that happens, you'll begin the process again, looking to feed. Your meager attempts at casting yourself as a martyr are now through here. Your desires for attention strife and pity are transparent.
You keep saying your going to stop posting this or that, your going to stop posting here or there, take a break or leave for good, yet none of it comes to pass because you can't let go of the animosity you stir up here - you need it.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I'm calling blasphemy on this one. There are terrible bunnies made with 'chocolate flavoured confectionery coating', but there are wonderful chocolate bunnies out there!

Food for thought, to be sure. I'm not sure whether you'll believe it, but I am quite aware that I am capable of mistakes. For one, I get too zealous, sometimes. I know that and try to temper it. I usually succeed, but not always.

But one thing you will never find me doing is dismissing Scripture just because it makes me uncomfortable. You won't find me watering down the wholeness of God because in this age, it's not politically correct. I don't pick and choose; I accept it all and do the best I can to understand it all: the why's and the but's and the if's. And yes, I get over-zealous when people who claim Christ dismiss this or that for no better reason than they're not comfortable with it.

1) Are we saved by grace, through faith, as a free gift? Yes.

2) Did Christ teach that we are to repent of sin? Yes.

3) Did He teach that some people were going to say to Him, "Lord, Lord", but still find themselves rejected when He says to them "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who work iniquity."? Yes.

If you teach 1), but not 2) and 3), you are not telling the whole story of God and deceiving (by omission) the listener. Yes, I get zealous about that, as well as other such things.

Yes, I am capable of mistakes, I know that only too well. But I try my best and I am not ashamed of the whole story of God. Hold that against me if you must.

No wonder Monte and ber fight, they have the same personality.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

And like monty, Ber has some good points, just the execution could be a tad... umm... rough.

I've always asked the question, why do some Christians accept the OT and others don't, how can Man pick and chose what he believes in, yet still claim it's from the divine.

Of course Ber's over zealousness is also the reason why I loth organised religion...

From a non-Christian: There are two schools of thought... one is that the New Testament was like a new expansion (like Kunark) that added some things and changed some things but kept the same basic framework. The other is that the New Testament was a total restart (like EQ2) where nothing that came before mattered except for storyline.

Lydiaa, to be brief. Nobody really "doesn't accept the OT", the OT still is some just see the words of Jesus as superceeding the covenant in the OT, or creating a new covenant in the NT.

What I've just said has flaws, I know, but it is the most simple description I can think of.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Just from my perspective, if you want to look at it this way:

Some of the OT is, for want of a better word, domestic law of ancient Israel and doesn't apply to us so much, although the principles God lays out (His moral law) still does apply. Law that defines sin, however, still applies because it is that law that non-believers will be judged by, and it is the penalty of that law that God saves us from ("the wages of sin is death...").

What was sin in the OT is still sin in the NT unless there is a specific NT reference that changes it, such as dietary law. Most of what was sin in the OT, Christ affirmed in the NT as remaining sin.

This answer is incomplete, but maybe with what others say you'll have enough to go on.

I like Taamar's explination the best hehe... mmm... EQ =P

If I really need the animosity, as you claim, why have I repeatedly asked to be perma-banned? Oh! I know, it's just a publicity stunt and if the mods actually did it I'd run back to them crying to be re-instated, right? It's sad that you apparently believe what you said, without bothering to think it through.

You're not the only one who's ever requested to be banned, Beryllin. And I denied the other guy his martyr card, too.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Ber, you of all people should have the self discipline to ban yourself from here should you so wish. I believe you train in it once you get past adept at religion =P

Martyr? When I ask for it? Sounds weak to me: "I asked them to ban me and they did it! I'm a martyr!" No, if you ask for it you don't get a martyr card.

*sigh*

That may be, but a ban removes any temptation to ever post here again. I'm seeking to avoid the possibility that 6 months down the road someone will say something that moves me to give up a voluntary ban. Or somewhere down the road, something happens that I really want to post about. By being banned, none of that can happen, and that's what I want. The removal of the temptation to ever post here again.

And I want them to ban ciggies too =P

Just admit you're addicted to us and give us a hug... it's okay we won't judge you /hugs

Well, here's the deal.

Neither I, nor any one else, needs you to get us to "challange ourselves" because, quite frankly, your idea of what's pleasing to Christ is really pretty **** appalling most of the time.

I'm sure that there are plenty of things I do which God isn't terribly pleased with. I'm equally sure there are at least as many things you do. Your attempt to sieze on my language towards you is just you picking out my behavior and then acting as if you're in some superior position that I need to live up to.

This crap about "explaining away" scripture and this pompous **** about "the attitudes of someone who knows Christ" are just more of the same; your attitude that you just have all the **** answers.

You better stop slinging that line about "I never knew you", Ber. Of course your tremendous arrogance prevents you from seeing why, I'm sure.

Of course, you can't even control yourself enough to stop posting in this thread, much less this board, after claiming you want to do so in both cases. Challange people indeed.

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There is a way to delete yourself, is there not?

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I think so, but you can undelete yourself just as easily, I think.