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Is that a Honda Neon Carrera?


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Nah, its a rare dodge neon SRT4 Boxster Turbo.

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Well, yes. But does that apply the the SRT4 Emblem?

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Sure. Both Porsche Turbo and Honda Type R stickers provide a speed boost. But the issue is a little more complicated than is frequently acknowledged.

Many beginner ricers make the mistake of getting caught up in the debate over Type R vs. Turbo stickers. You'll find countless internet arguments (and even the occasional scholarly paper!) on the topic of which kind of sticker provides the greatest speed boost, with the implication being that one must "choose a camp". Professional ricers know that this is nonsense. In fact, the whole argument is moot. A Type R sticker in conjunction with a Turbo sticker actually provides the greatest possible boost due to the synergistic effect. Decades of research has proven that each enhances the speed of the other; both stickers together provides an ever greater effect than the sum of their individual boosts.

However, contrary to what has frequently been espoused among even the professional ricer circuit, there remains little actual evidence of a synergistic effect between stickers (of either kind) and rear spoilers. The recent findings published by Smith, Paine, Richardson, and Glasgow in the American Journal of Advanced Rice Rocketry are admittedly compelling at first glance, but a deeper examination raises some critical issues with their experimentation. Primarily, Smith et al used a 1993 Honda Civic sporting Type R stickers during a number of their crucial experiments. Photographs have since surfaced which suggest that the Honda used was, in fact, an EG6 SiR-II. If these photos are genuine (and this writer, for one, has good reason to believe that they are), then this would obviously invalidate virtually all of their findings. It has been well-established that the Type R sticker effect, though still present, is greatly diminished by the presence of an actual Type R engine. Thus any results obtained from that well vis-a-vis weak spoiler-sticker interactions (a.k.a. the Paulson-Neely Conjecture) are hopelessly poisoned.

Regardless, even if the Paulson-Neely Conjecture pans out, I think it's been pretty well established at this point that the forces arising from the interaction between spoiler size and spoiler height would easily dominate over any spoiler-sticker interactions at anything larger than sub-compact scale. For most ricers, the exercise is largely academic, at best. And frankly after that whole bizarre business of the double-rims experiment, I find myself much happier when I just ignore the entire subcompact world.

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I had someone call me to fix an SRT4 a couple of weeks ago. It's one of the few times I said i can't help you. Find a front wheel drive dyno. Check engine light came on at 6 grand, but on the test drive I found out 6 grand in second gear is 70 mph. Granted it was tuned with a few add-ons, but sheesh. There comes a time when you have to wonder what the point is.


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also the spoiler is not big enough

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That was a great post.


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Stathol wrote:
Sure. Both Porsche Turbo and Honda Type R stickers provide a speed boost. But the issue is a little more complicated than is frequently acknowledged.

Many beginner ricers make the mistake of getting caught up in the debate over Type R vs. Turbo stickers. You'll find countless internet arguments (and even the occasional scholarly paper!) on the topic of which kind of sticker provides the greatest speed boost, with the implication being that one must "choose a camp". Professional ricers know that this is nonsense. In fact, the whole argument is moot. A Type R sticker in conjunction with a Turbo sticker actually provides the greatest possible boost due to the synergistic effect. Decades of research has proven that each enhances the speed of the other; both stickers together provides an ever greater effect than the sum of their individual boosts.

However, contrary to what has frequently been espoused among even the professional ricer circuit, there remains little actual evidence of a synergistic effect between stickers (of either kind) and rear spoilers. The recent findings published by Smith, Paine, Richardson, and Glasgow in the American Journal of Advanced Rice Rocketry are admittedly compelling at first glance, but a deeper examination raises some critical issues with their experimentation. Primarily, Smith et al used a 1993 Honda Civic sporting Type R stickers during a number of their crucial experiments. Photographs have since surfaced which suggest that the Honda used was, in fact, an EG6 SiR-II. If these photos are genuine (and this writer, for one, has good reason to believe that they are), then this would obviously invalidate virtually all of their findings. It has been well-established that the Type R sticker effect, though still present, is greatly diminished by the presence of an actual Type R engine. Thus any results obtained from that well vis-a-vis weak spoiler-sticker interactions (a.k.a. the Paulson-Neely Conjecture) are hopelessly poisoned.

Regardless, even if the Paulson-Neely Conjecture pans out, I think it's been pretty well established at this point that the forces arising from the interaction between spoiler size and spoiler height would easily dominate over any spoiler-sticker interactions at anything larger than sub-compact scale. For most ricers, the exercise is largely academic, at best. And frankly after that whole bizarre business of the double-rims experiment, I find myself much happier when I just ignore the entire subcompact world.


Never had you pegged as a ricer guy. This is all greek to me.

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He's not, he's BS'ing to a level not seen by most; with a skill possessed by few.

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Vindicarre wrote:
He's not, he's BS'ing to a level not seen by most; with a skill possessed by few.



Hehe, nice :lol:

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Vindicarre wrote:
He's not, he's BS'ing to a level not seen by most; with a skill possessed by few.


His BS level.. is it Over 9000?

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Well, he is using only 2% of his power level.

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Rynar, hand in your Mick card, not being able to spot blarney? Shame on you.

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Micheal wrote:
Rynar, hand in your Mick card, not being able to spot blarney? Shame on you.


I dunno, Michael, the people here constantly amaze me. Just when you think you have someone pegged, they show you a completely different part of themselves. Things you would never suspect. I don't think it's too far fetched. I mean, someone did start a thread about ricers in this forum, after all. Who's to say who else might be a closet gear-head. Surely not me. I only tend to turn on my bullshit detector when it comes to someones credentials when a topic interests me, or affects me directly. In a thread like this, I take people at their face value until they tell me otherwise.

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I can understand that Rynar, maybe its because I've talked to more than a few gear heads over the years and the whole sticker thing is frequently the engine mod Ricers making fun of the body mod Ricers - at least here in Sacramento.

Of course the real battle of dissing each other is between the low riders and the Ricers. Low-riders have the edge though, some of them are third and fourth generation modders, learning from the guys who've been modding Chevys since Impalas were brand new.

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