The Glade 4.0

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-a ... ogram.html



Seriously Jobs? Go **** yourself.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Compliance is mandatory.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

LOL WAT

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Like, break free from the system, man.

wow... I may be discarding all apps that have advertisements.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Should point out that it's for subsidized hardware. Pay full price and the ads go away. I don't really see how this is different from the way most companies are going anyway, like having to forcibly watch ads during Hulu shows or being restricted to a particular cell phone carrier because they're subsidizing your initial phone purchase. /shrug

True, but surely you do agree that Jobs is a paranoid egomaniac whose vision of humanity's future is an endless sea of lobotomized hipsters numbly repeating the mantra that "Conformity is Individuality" while handing over ever-greater amounts of their money in exchange for Apple's latest sleekly-designed-but-not-actually-innovative-product-that-you-never-thought-you-needed-but-now-can't-possibly-live-without?

I hate Apple and its fanboys. They (Apple and their consumers) remind me of the South Park episode about Smug and hybrids.

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You know, on a similar topic, I've always found Linux users to be far more "cultish" than dedicated Apple users, but they're not nearly so denigrated.

Related, though slightly off-topic, but it was brought up in the Droid thread...I'm also not sure what the big deal is about an OS being open source, and how using one is some big "win" in the moral accountability spreadsheet. If I didn't use OS X, I'd use Windows. Because they do what I want them to do. I'm not sure intentionally handicapping your immediate abilities for some possible future functionality equal to what is already available is staking claim in some imaginary moral high ground. /shrug

http://xkcd.com/644/

THIS is the difference: In other words, Apple is going to ensure advertisers that there'll be no way for users to get around playing their ads. In addition, Apple can further determine whether a user pays attention to the advertisement. The determination can include performing, while the advertisement is presented, an operation that urges the user to respond; and detecting whether the user responds to the performed operation. If the response is inappropriate or nonexistent, the system will go into lock down mode in some form or other until the user complies. In the case of an iPod, the sound could be disconnected rendering it useless until compliance is met. For the iPhone, no calls will be able to be made or received.

In the case of a desktop or notebook, the UI and its components (e.g., menu bars, icons, etc.) may be faded, darkened, brightened, blurred, distorted or otherwise visually modified during the initial state (or while the advertisement is being presented) so as to emphasize that the desktop UI is temporarily inactive.

When hulu pops up an ad that's going to take 15-30 seconds? I switch browser windows for 30 seconds.

Disabling the rest of your O.S. because an AD is playing? That's some epic big brother **** right there.

/Cheer

Back on the apple front, how does one determine if an add is being paid attention to? Sounds like a difficult proposition, leaving me to believe this is largely to appease advertisers. Not that I blame them, advertisers want a quality product for their money just like everyone else.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Because there's only 20 or so of them, and they're all locked in their basements compiling their kernels or some such.

Apple users can't help but tell you how wonderful their latest doohickey is. And how unique they are for breaking free of the Windows Conspiracy Machine Man!

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Holy shitsnacks!

Yeah, I was just thinking that Apple has ironically become the IBM of gadgets.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

I could see it as being "Press x button now", or some such.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

It's going to be like Pandora's "are you still listening?" thing. Nothing to grab pitchforks over.

Did you see this ad? Are you going to visit their site? Are you lying to Apple? Do you want to see the ad again? No iTunes for joo!

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Exactly how I feel...

me: so if I switch to Linux can I do this?

linux user: No, not natively you can use this OSX or Windows emulator to do it though.

me: ...

linux user: So want to reformat your hard drive and try Linux?

me: So you want me to wipe my data, switch to an OS that I am unfamiliar with, that will not natively run the apps I want: and then have to go buy new programs to read all of the data backups that were set for my old OS.... and if I do not like the OS will you help me switch it back?

Linux user: No. I will have nothing to do with installing windows.

me: Wanna see my balls?



Yeah but then you remind them that you still have a soul, and Steve Jobs has already consumed theirs and they get flustered while you make fun of the iPad. Follow it up with a reminder that "early adapter" really means "first screwed".

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

When another consumer level UNIX OS becomes available I might switch from Mac, but not before then.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Every couple of years I get stupid and decide that I just have to mess around with Linux. It never works out well.

The live CDs are a useful utility and I can see the merits of using it for a cheap low resourse server or terminal solution. However for eveyday computing the windows works decently well.

Yes I have an iPhone. It's probably the most usefull piece of personal electronics Ive owned. I don't think that makes me a souless fanboy, just a satisified customer. Again, Im using what works.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I use Linux. Started with Red Hat a long time ago, switched to SuSE and then OpenSuSE, and finally ended up on Ubuntu. I have barely scratched the surface of the applications available in all that time. With the exception of commercial video games, there's nothing that I have ever lacked on Linux.

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I am NOT an apple fanboy. I H9 most apple products. I can't stand iTunes. I think Mac's are overpriced garbage. And I think Steve Jobs is the devil. With that being said, I do own an iPhone. I love it. I use it all the time, for all kinds of things I never thought I'd use a cell phone for. I think it's pretty damn cool, but it certainly has a lot more competition in the market now. There are other smart phones out there that are just as amazing as the iPhone was when it first hit the scene.

But I really, really hate the elitist, smug attitude that most Apple fanboys have. Get the **** over yourselves.

There was a nice little debate in the Dragon Age forums, where some Mac user was ***** because he couldn't play the game on his Mac. There was a lot of trash talking from both sides, but I thought this one was pretty nice, so I had to screen-cap it.

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"I Live, I Love, I Slay, and I Am Content."
- Conan the Barbarian

Comparing Linux to Droid isn't the best analogy.

Most people who use Linux *enjoy* the fact that it's not consumer friendly. They prefer to do things the complicated way, even just using general commands makes this very obvious. They like their clubhouse the way it is, and don't mind if the average consumer is never allowed in. (I work with nothing but Linux users and developers all day, as well as speak to many over the phone)

Now, a smartphone being open source is different. Phones are far more basic in what people want them to do and how to get them to do it. And the droid was designed from the ground-up with the average consumer in mind, and not some nerdy shut-in who hates mouse pointers. Design with the average consumer in mind is the biggest difference and flaw with the droid/linux analogy.

And since the phone is already user friendly, and now open source, it opens itself up to a lot more innovation and freedom from the very people who use it. Linux could have certainly been this way as well, but it's general users decided on a more clique-ish route.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

Kirec and I used to get into it about this. He always complained he wanted something that just worked. Yet he'd talk about all the documentation he'd have to read to get it to "just work." And I could go download a random program for free and be able to figure it out quickly due to an intuitive GUI. He'd also swear up and down he could run quicker from the command line. I used Linux for a couple years and I never got that quick with it so I have trouble seeing that. I do think that Linux forces people to understand the underpinnings of their OS better. Beyond that, I don't see that there's any advantage it offers to the average user.

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The Dude abides.

You guys are in the dark ages about Linux.

I do the following on Linux:

Run Steam and Play Steam Native Games, including Dragon Age and Conviction.
Run World of Warcraft.
Play pretty much every game I'd want or need Windows to play.

Also, all those spiffy UI Improvements for Vista and Windows 7 and OS-X Snow Leopard? I've been using most of them for a decade.

And if you want easy to use?

http://www.ubuntu.com/

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It's been my experience over the past several years (and several different GUIs) that Linux GUIs in general are very unwieldy, clunky, ever-so-slightly laggy, and occasionally tend to not work the way you want them to. This is my personal experience. But I have said aloud (several dozen times) over the past few years when I run into major problems with a Linux GUI, "I am not beholding the power of Linux!" And, every time, when I run into a problem as such that is because of GUI malfunction, the Linux engineers scratch their heads as to why it happened and then just do what I wanted to do via CLI. And their general response is for when I need to do it again in the future, "Just use the CLI."

My personal experience is that the GUI is just there to look pretty for your CLI.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

Numbuk:

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Irony, that name is your Cell Phone.

But, let's see. That said, I use Linux everyday for everything I do on a PC. I have a Windows 7 Image that seems very, very limited boot time. I have 3 Macs, of which 2 are running Linux. Poor implementation by your administrator(s) is their problem; not mine.

Ubuntu's UI, out of the box, is slick, intelligent, and pretty much idiot proof. If you don't like Gnome, you can use Kubuntu for a kde Variant. Personally, I'm an xfce window manager guy, but that's just me. However, any installation I use, I generally tweak to high heavens. Of course, I can make it deployable via net or disc with less headache than it takes to slipstream an updated Windows disc.

As for having a CLI to do things, it's useful. Having one that lets you perform complex operations and file manipulations of a real sort is badass. Let me know when you search 10 different spreadsheets and aggregate data from all 10 in a new file without having to manually do so or writing a stupid amount of Macros in Excel.

Software is a tool. Operating systems and operating environments are also tools. Just because your experience with limited implementations handled by poorly trained and poorly equipped administrations "suffers" is bad does not mean that the operating system "sucks" or is "behind." Like I said, full screen frame buffering compositing, 3d acceleration, and all sorts of other "spiffy" new UI tech is old hat for Linux. Even Rainmeter, as posted in this very forum, is actually pretty old tech (like some 20 years old) as far as Linux is concerned.

But, I dunno, it's been nearly 10 years since Kirec first posted Ubuntu for you guys to try. It's worked out of the box on pretty much every piece of hardware for the last 10 years. And, yet, I still see the same parties repeating the same prejudices and the same biases without actually trying any of these implementations.

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