The Glade 4.0

Ladas:

You do know that Megan McArdle claims to be a constitutionalist libertarian right?

Just a quick reply (since I should be working) regarding the likelihood of a lot of innocent Hispanic people being stopped. In NYC, there's a statute permitting cops to stop and question people based on "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity. Same standard as the AZ law. In the last 5 years alone, 2 million pedestrians have been stopped pursuant to this law. Of those, roughly 90% were completely innocent of any wrongdoing, and roughly 90% were minorities. Given the racial makeup of the city, the chances of a white person being stopped are about 1 in 50. The chances of a black person being stopped are about 1 in 4. And that's without any racial correlation to the underlying crimes. How much worse do you think it's going to be when the underlying crime is heavily correlated with race?

As for hauling people off if they don't have ID, I'll get to that later, since it requires quoting from the bill itself. My recollection, though, is that the text requires an ICE check, which doesn't happen very quickly.

Just a quick reply (since I should be working) regarding the likelihood of a lot of innocent Hispanic people being stopped. In NYC, there's a statute permitting cops to stop and question people based on "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity. Same standard as the AZ law. In the last 5 years alone, 2 million pedestrians have been stopped pursuant to this law. Of those, roughly 90% were completely innocent of any wrongdoing, and roughly 90% were minorities. Given the racial makeup of the city, the chances of a white person being stopped are about 1 in 50. The chances of a black person being stopped are about 1 in 4. And that's without any racial correlation to the underlying crimes. How much worse do you think it's going to be when the underlying crime is heavily correlated with race?

As for hauling people off if they don't have ID, I'll get to that later, since it requires quoting from the bill itself. My recollection, though, is that the text requires an ICE check, which doesn't happen very quickly.

Just a quick reply (since I should be working) regarding the likelihood of a lot of innocent Hispanic people being stopped. In NYC, there's a statute permitting cops to stop and question people based on "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity. Same standard as the AZ law. In the last 5 years alone, 2 million pedestrians have been stopped pursuant to this law. Of those, roughly 90% were completely innocent of any wrongdoing, and roughly 90% were minorities. Given the racial makeup of the city, the chances of a white person being stopped are about 1 in 50. The chances of a black person being stopped are about 1 in 4. And that's without any racial correlation to the underlying crimes. How much worse do you think it's going to be when the underlying crime is heavily correlated with race?

As for hauling people off if they don't have ID, I'll get to that later, since it requires quoting from the bill itself. My recollection, though, is that the text requires an ICE check, which doesn't happen very quickly.

20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

What a **** tool.

*I've* read the law... and I'm not the AG...

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Hehe - the Attorney General testifies under oath he hasn't even read the frickin thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U4tI_qz ... tube_gdata

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

"We're examining any implications especially for civil rights because in the United States of America, no law abiding person -- be they an American citizen, illegal immigrant, or a visitor or tourist from Mexico -- should ever be subject to suspicion simply because of what they look like."

"no law abiding person ... illegal immigrant"

STUDENTS ASKED FOR 'CITIZEN STATUS' BEFORE OBAMA COMMENCEMENT

KALAMAZOO — The White House appears to be laying the groundwork for President Barack Obama to shake the hand of each senior at Kalamazoo Central High School’s commencement ceremony next month.

Seniors are being asked to provide their birthdates, Social Security numbers and citizen status to the Secret Service so background checks could be performed. Such a check is required for anyone who gets within an arm’s length of the president, students were told at their senior breakfast Friday.

Of the fact that the White House is requesting information on all the graduating seniors, K-Central Principal Von Washingon Jr. told the students, “I’ll let you figure out what that means,” said senior Simon Boehme, who was at the breakfast.

“Everyone is excited that we might have the opportunity to shake the president’s hand,” Boehme said.

K-Central found out May 4 that the school won a national competition that will bring Obama to its commencement as graduation speaker. The ceremony will be held at 7 p.m. June 7 at Western Michigan University’s basketball arena.

K-Central seniors also were told Friday that graduation tickets will come from the White House, and the tickets will have bar codes to heighten accountability and prevent them from being sold. “Any irregularities can be traced back to the student who was given the ticket,” Boehme said.

Kalamazoo Public Schools spokesman Alex Lee said Sunday that creating a ticket system is a top priority for district officials and the White House right now. “But I’m not sure what that will look like,” Lee said.

He pointed out that tickets can’t be issued until the White House and district officials determine how many seats will be available. University Arena can hold up to 5,000 people for a basketball game, but the setup for graduation may reduce that number.

Each graduate will get eight tickets for guests, an amount that drew cheers from students at Friday’s breakfast, Boehme said.

“People were elated hearing we’d get eight tickets each. Most students were assuming it would be five,” he said. “Some people are still unhappy, but the general consensus is that eight is enough for most people.”

Boehme also said that most students are happy that the graduation is being held at University Arena versus WMU’s Waldo Stadium, another venue under consideration. While the stadium could hold up to 30,000 people, Boehme said many seniors were apprehensive about the potential of having an audience comprised mainly of people interested in seeing the president. The smaller audience will mean the focus will stay on graduation, Boehme said.

“Students are feeling reassured that not a lot of things are going to change ... outside of having the big man there,” Boehme said. He said it appears the president’s speech will not preclude the traditional elements of graduation, including performances of the high school band and choir, student speeches and a slide show of pictures of the graduates over the years.

Boehme, who is student government president and class salutorian, expects to be on stage with class valedictorian Cindy Lee, both of whom will give speeches.

“I’m more than excited. I’m honored” to speak at the same event as the president, Boehme said. “It’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.”

There will be no tickets available to the general public for the ceremony. Graduating seniors at Loy Norrix and Phoenix, the district’s other two high schools, will be allowed to attend, and there also will be a lottery for Central students in grades 9-11 who would like a ticket.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin