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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 10:49 pm 
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/09/report-kagan-will-be-obamas-supreme-court-nominee/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
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Kagan to be Supreme Court nominee, CNN confirms


[Update 11:06 p.m. ET] President Obama will select Solicitor General Elena Kagan as the Supreme Court nominee to replace the retiring John Paul Stevens, a legal source close to the process told CNN Sunday evening.

The nomination is expected to be announced Monday at 11 a.m. ET, another source familiar with the process said.

Kagan, 50, a New York native, was widely reported to be the frontrunner for the nomination. She was a finalist for the high court vacancy last year when Justice Sonia Sotomayor was selected to replace the retiring David Souter.

Kagan would be the third woman on the nine-justice bench if confirmed.

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[Posted 10:19 p.m. ET] NBC News is reporting President Obama will select Solicitor General Elena Kagan as the Supreme Court nominee to replace the retiring John Paul Stevens.

CNN is working to confirm the report.

Kagan is a former Harvard Law School dean and has never served as judge. As solicitor general, she is the Obama administration's top lawyer before the Supreme Court and has argued several high-profile cases before the justices since taking the job in spring 2009.

Kagan was a law clerk for Justice Thurgood Marshall and served as associate White House counsel in President Clinton's administration.

– CNN's John King and Bill Mears contributed to this report.

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well its nice to see that if we cannot complain about the qualifications at least we can ridicule appearances.


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well its nice to see that if we cannot complain about the qualifications at least we can ridicule appearances.


How about this...

the woman has no place being a Supreme Court Justice:

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Kagan is a former Harvard Law School dean and has never served as judge. As solicitor general, she is the Obama administration's top lawyer before the Supreme Court and has argued several high-profile cases before the justices since taking the job in spring 2009.


And she looks like she ate the bench and not sat on it.

If she has never served as a judge she has no business or qualification to serve on the US Supreme Court.

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well its nice to see that if we cannot complain about the qualifications at least we can ridicule appearances.


Define what qualifies someone for a seat on the Court.

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Didn't bush attempt to put his own private council to the Supreme court once? Margaret something? Also totally unqualified.

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Glenn Greenwald doesnt like her so she cant be all bad. I dont know much about her:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... 5/08/kagan

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(4) This headline, from law.com, is a darkly amusing and quite revealing one to read about the Obama White House's front-runner to replace John Paul Stevens: "Supreme Court Watchers Wonder: How Conservative Is Kagan"?


http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/2010/ ... ite_house/

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She had hired 32 tenured and tenure-track academic faculty members (non-clinical, non-practice). But when we sat down to review the actual record, we were frankly shocked. Not only were there shockingly few people of color, there were very few women. Where were the people of color? Where were the women? Of these 32 tenured and tenure-track academic hires, only one was a minority. Of these 32, only seven were women. All this in the 21st Century.


*gasp* She's obviously racist and sexist.

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Yay ... more proof the President is an idiot.

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I don't know anything about her background, leanings (though I can make assumptions based upon who nominated her), but at the surface, I don't have an objection to nominating someone that hasn't been a judge, provided they are practicing attorneys with ample experience in the courtroom, in particular in that particular court (ie Family, Federal, USSC, etc) so that they are at the very least familiar with the rules of court, evidence, etc.

Picking a tax attorney to the position would not qualify.


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Never served as a judge? Definitely not qualified for the highest court in the land.

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Never served as a judge? Definitely not qualified for the highest court in the land.


There is no uniform standard for the judicial selection process. Many nominees have never served as judges.

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Never served as a judge? Definitely not qualified for the highest court in the land.


There is no uniform standard for the judicial selection process. Many nominees have never served as judges.

I fully realize that. I was simply stating my personal opinion.

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Iirc, I disagree with her on the role of government and child nutrition (as thus came up during the nomination to her current seat).

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Screeling wrote:
Rynar wrote:
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Never served as a judge? Definitely not qualified for the highest court in the land.


There is no uniform standard for the judicial selection process. Many nominees have never served as judges.

I fully realize that. I was simply stating my personal opinion.


In fact, just for the purposes of this thread, I'll post a list:

http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/justices/nopriorexp.html

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Name of Justice Prior Occupations Years On Court Appointed By President:
1. William Rehnquist Asst. U.S. Attorney General 1972-2005 Nixon (Assoc., 1972),
Reagan (Chief, 1986)
2. Lewis Powell President of the American Bar ***'n,
Private Practice 1972-1987 Nixon
3. Abe Fortas Private Practice 1965-1969 Johnson
4. Byron White Deputy U.S. Attorney General 1962-1993 Kennedy
5. Arthur Goldberg U.S. Secretary of Labor 1962-1965 Kennedy
6. Earl Warren Governor of California 1953-1969 Eisenhower
7. Tom Clark U.S. Attorney General 1949-1967 Truman
8. Harold Burton U.S. Senator 1945-1958 Truman
9. Robert Jackson U.S. Attorney General 1941-1954 F. Roosevelt
10. James Francis Byrnes U.S. Senator 1941-1942 F. Roosevelt
11. William O. Douglas Chairman of the S.E.C. 1939-1975 F. Roosevelt
12. Felix Frankfurter Asst. U.S. Attorney, Asst. Secretary of War,
Prof. of Law at Harvard 1939-1962 F. Roosevelt
13. Stanley Forman Reed U.S. Solicitor General 1938-1957 F. Roosevelt
14. Owen Josephus Roberts Special Counsel in "Teapot Dome" investigation and trials 1930-1945 Hoover
15. Harlan Fiske Stone U.S. Attorney General 1925-1946 Coolidge (Assoc., 1925),
F. Roosevelt (Chief, 1941)
16. Pierce Butler County Attorney, Private Practice 1923-1939 Harding
17. George Sutherland U.S. Senator 1922-1938 Harding
18. Louis Brandeis Private Practice 1916-1939 Wilson
19. James Clark McReynolds U.S. Attorney General 1914-1941 Wilson
20. Charles Evans Hughes Governor of New York,
U.S. Secretary of State 1910-1916,
1930-1941 Taft (Assoc., 1910),
Hoover (Chief, 1930)
21. William Henry Moody U.S. Attorney General 1906-1910 T. Roosevelt
22. George Shiras, Jr Private Practice 1892-1903 Harrison
23. Melville Fuller Private Practice 1888-1910 Cleveland
24. Lucius Quintus Cincinnatus Lamar U.S. Secretary of the Interior, U.S. Senator 1888-1893 Cleveland
25. Joseph Philo Bradley Private Practice 1870-1892 Grant
26. Salmon P. Chase U.S. Treasury Secretary 1864-1873 Lincoln
27. Samuel Freeman Miller Private Practice 1862-1890 Lincoln
28. Noah Haynes Swayne U.S. Attorney for Ohio, Ohio Legislator 1862-1881 Lincoln
29. Nathan Clifford Maine & U.S. Attorney General 1858-1881 Buchanan
30. John Archibald Campbell Alabama Legislator 1853-1861 Pierce
31. Benjamin Robbins Curtis Massachusetts Legislator 1851-1857 Fillmore
32. John McKinley U.S. Senator 1838-1852 Van Buren
33. Roger Brooke Taney Maryland & U.S. Attorney General,
U.S. Treasury Secretary 1836-1864 Jackson
34. Henry Baldwin U.S. Congressman 1830-1844 Jackson
35. Joseph Story Speaker of Mass. House of Reps., U.S. Congressman 1812-1845 Madison
36. John Marshall U.S. Secretary of State 1801-1835 Adams
37. Bushrod Washington Virginia House of Delegates,
Reporter for Virginia Court of Appeals 1799-1829 Adams
38. William Paterson Governor of New Jersey 1793-1806 Washington
39. John Jay President of the Continental Congress,
U.S. Secretary of Foreign Affairs 1789-1795 Washington
40. John Rutledge Governor of South Carolina 1789-1791, 1795 Washington

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Also, rumor has it that she's a lesbian that has been pushed gently back in her closet for the nomination.

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Looks more like Kevin James in drag.

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I'm interested Darksiege and Screeling, how long must one serve as a judge to be qualified, in your opinion?


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I would keep that fairly low; i would say a year minimum.

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Telumehtar wrote:
I'm interested Darksiege and Screeling, how long must one serve as a judge to be qualified, in your opinion?

If you're asking if it were up to me, at least 10 years and honestly I would prefer more. I'd prefer to have somebody who has experience thinking Constitutionally and who has had some of their decisions upheld/overturned by a higher court.

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I'm interested Darksiege and Screeling, how long must one serve as a judge to be qualified, in your opinion?

If you're asking if it were up to me, at least 10 years and honestly I would prefer more. I'd prefer to have somebody who has experience thinking Constitutionally and who has had some of their decisions upheld/overturned by a higher court.

Yeah, for me, it's not the "lack of experience" as a judge that's the problem. It's the lack of a record of jurisprudence to evaluate.

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I don't have any feelings that would make me disqualify someone who has never been a judge but without a record of rulings on cases and the opinions on why they ruled a way (which reveal an extreme amount about how a nominee views the role of law and government) I am extremely leery.

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As has been stated, there's no requirement to have been a judge. I believe most were not prior to recently.

In fact, I think I like the idea of having a mixture of viewpoints and backgrounds among the nine.

Well, obviously not too much of a mix. As awesome as engineers are, none for the Court pls, thanks.


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Kagan is Solicitor General and has been since Obama assumed office, basically. We have plenty of data that indicates she's unsuitable for the Supreme Court: her ridiculous arguments.

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Yeah I'll see if I can pull up her office's argument for Heller.

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Kagan drafted the "Collective Right" argument in Heller vs. DC as a special solicitor appointed by the President. She literally told the Supreme Court that the present of the National Guard satisfied the Second Amendment for all Citizens and that the Federal government could ban private ownership of firearms.

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Kagan drafted the "Collective Right" argument in Heller vs. DC as a special solicitor appointed by the President. She literally told the Supreme Court that the present of the National Guard satisfied the Second Amendment for all Citizens and that the Federal government could ban private ownership of firearms.


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