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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:04 pm 
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This terminology comes from a brilliant web posting by Andrea Donderi that's achieved minor cult status online. We are raised, the theory runs, in one of two cultures. In Ask culture, people grow up believing they can ask for anything – a favour, a pay rise– fully realising the answer may be no. In Guess culture, by contrast, you avoid "putting a request into words unless you're pretty sure the answer will be yes… A key skill is putting out delicate feelers. If you do this with enough subtlety, you won't have to make the request directly; you'll get an offer. Even then, the offer may be genuine or pro forma; it takes yet more skill and delicacy to discern whether you should accept."

Neither's "wrong", but when an Asker meets a Guesser, unpleasantness results. An Asker won't think it's rude to request two weeks in your spare room, but a Guess culture person will hear it as presumptuous and resent the agony involved in saying no. Your boss, asking for a project to be finished early, may be an overdemanding boor – or just an Asker, who's assuming you might decline. If you're a Guesser, you'll hear it as an expectation. This is a spectrum, not a dichotomy, and it explains cross-cultural awkwardnesses, too: Brits and Americans get discombobulated doing business in Japan, because it's a Guess culture, yet experience Russians as rude, because they're diehard Askers.


I'm definitely a Guesser, and I do tend to react negatively to Askers. The usual pattern is that I give and give, wrongly assuming that, like me, they wouldn't ask for something if they didn't really need it, until eventually I get pissed off at them for taking advantage of me, and they get pissed off at me for getting angry instead of just saying no. Pretty much my previous relationship in a nutshell, actually.


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I'd guess that on the spectrum, I'd fall closer to guesser, as I prefer to have at least a good idea the the outcome will be positive.

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The usual pattern is that I give and give, wrongly assuming that, like me, they wouldn't ask for something if they didn't really need it...


Yup, although, in my own dealings I've always seen that as a projection of my own desire not to ask unless the situation is dire, and considered (sometimes wrongly) it a failing that other people ask so easily.

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Totally an asker.

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I'm an asker. My wife is a guesser. Much hilarity ensues.....

Frequently things that I see as simple questions or requests that can be denied are interpreted by her, and her family, to be demands. Similarly, she consistently is put off by the fact that I don't read things that she wants and offer them without her having to ask. She also had a huge problem with me saying 'no' when she asks me to do something- to me it's not a big deal. Her asking and me saying no is how negotiation or discussion starts- to her it's a conversation ender.

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RangerDave wrote:
The usual pattern is that I give and give, wrongly assuming that, like me, they wouldn't ask for something if they didn't really need it, until eventually I get pissed off at them for taking advantage of me, and they get pissed off at me for getting angry instead of just saying no. Pretty much all of my previous relationships in a nutshell, actually.


Minor correction added to address my personal experiences

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She also had a huge problem with me saying 'no' when she asks me to do something- to me it's not a big deal. Her asking and me saying no is how negotiation or discussion starts- to her it's a conversation ender.


Lol, I've always assumed, in my personal life, that when someone says no, they mean it, not that they're enticing me into a discussion or negotiation - that's something to consider. I must say though, that sounds much like my 4 year old's reception of the word "No" - the beginning of a negotiation.

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I prefer to shoot first, then ask questions.


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NephyrS wrote:
Frequently things that I see as simple questions or requests that can be denied are interpreted by her, and her family, to be demands.


For me, it's not really that I see requests as demands; it's that I'll pretty much always say yes, even if I don't want to do it, so I feel like people should take that into account and limit the frequency/scope of their requests lest they take advantage of my accommodating nature.

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She also had a huge problem with me saying 'no' when she asks me to do something- to me it's not a big deal. Her asking and me saying no is how negotiation or discussion starts- to her it's a conversation ender.


Aye, this is similar to the above for me. Before I ask for something, I usually take some time to consider how reasonable the request is, to what degree the other person will be inconvenienced, how much I really want it, etc. So, after all that, if the other person turns me down, I feel like they should have a pretty compelling reason.

Not that my view of things is inherently right, mind you. Just saying that those are my instinctive reactions when this situation arises.


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Most definitely an asker. I constantly get annoyed when people are reluctant to tell me know, but don't want or can't do what I ask. Just answer the question so I can make other plans if you can't do it.

My wife is a guesser. This is the source of pretty much all of our arguments.


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Wife and I are both Guessers, although I'm a bit more of an asker than her.

Our teenager, however, is definitely an Asker... or as I like to put it, a begger.

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I'm mostly an asker. Usually I go through the "guesser" part, then even if the conclusion I've come to is unfavorable, I'll ask anyways. I mean, you never know right?


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Vindicarre wrote:
NephyrS wrote:
She also had a huge problem with me saying 'no' when she asks me to do something- to me it's not a big deal. Her asking and me saying no is how negotiation or discussion starts- to her it's a conversation ender.


Lol, I've always assumed, in my personal life, that when someone says no, they mean it, not that they're enticing me into a discussion or negotiation - that's something to consider. I must say though, that sounds much like my 4 year old's reception of the word "No" - the beginning of a negotiation.


In some situations, sure. In others, I don't mind a follow up.

Ie:

Wife: Hey, do you want to go to the bookstore tonight?
Me: Nah, I think I'd rather just kick around here and read.

To her, that is often the end of the conversation. To me, I'd be fine with it if she followed up with:

Wife: Well, I know you've had a long day, but I'd really like to get out- do you mind just going for a couple of hours?

At which point I know it's something that she'd really like to do, and will often acquiesce.

As RD says, however, she has often taken this time and thought that I don't see before she even asks the first question- weighing how tired I am with how much she wants to go out, etc. But the way things always worked in my family was a much more open "Ask first, then discuss qualifiers" type relationship.

If I say yes, I want to go out- neither of us has to agonize over thinking about it. We both want to go out, we go out. If I don't and she does, we talk about it until we reach a workable compromise, anything from- "Lets do it tomorrow instead" to "Sure, I'd be glad to take you tonight".

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Asker.

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I am generally a guesser with rare, but noteworthy instances of asking.

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Guesser, Tho' in my job I have learned here are times you need to be an asker to the point of Bering an askhole.

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Guesser to the core. Represent, yo. Y'know, if you want. Not saying you have to, just thought you might like to. Whatever...whatever's fine with you.


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Guesser to the core. Represent, yo. Y'know, if you want. Not saying you have to, just thought you might like to. Whatever...whatever's fine with you.


This. If that's ok with Farsky. I mean, it *should* be, but I wouldn't want to impose.

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Guesser at home, asker at work...


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I'm not sure, but as a Chief Master Sergeant once told me "it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission." I read somewhere that if you look far enough in any organization, there will always be at least one person that will always say "no" unless it's written down somewhere "yes." I'm not sure that's what the article is about though.

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Guesser by nature. And MN in general has a tendency to have a lot of guessers.

Learned to deal with Askers by virtue of working for a long time.


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Interesting. I don't like the terminology they've chosen, but the theory seems viable.

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Pure guesser.

I don't think it's a good thing in this society.


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I think I am a guesser, but when I am confident I have Asker in me..like Lydiaa....at work I am confident and definately an Asker.

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I'm a guesser...but over the last year or so I've found that often my assumptions are wrong, so I'm trying to become a bit more askerish.

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