The Glade 4.0

No, I'm right. The massive amount of evidence from the fact that A) you haven't gottn anything more than a cheap lay and some time hanging out with chicks you know nothing about B) the fact that pretty much everyone else does things by spending (which is putting a little effort) for the benefit of you both and C) the fact that the time you're spending with her isn't a sacrifice at all since it's something you WANT to do means that you calling this bullshit is nothing more than you trying desperately to make the facts go away.

It's easy to keep things equal when the investment is zero. A zero investment, however, means you're going nowhere except maybe to the sack every once in a while. You're just buying prostitutes in a more complex than necessary fashion.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

She should also want to spend time with me just because I'm me. Not because I'm paying her also. In such a scenario, she isn't sacrificing her time because she actually wants to be with me.

Paying for her demonstrates that I value her time more than mine.

If you don't pay money, they are obviously not prostitutes. If you do pay money (as you suggest), then they are definitely more like prostitutes. So you have it all backwards.

Spend time with you doing what? Sitting around staring at each other? You're the one making the approach to her; why should she also want to spend time with you just because you're you? The burden's on you champ, since you're the one going around making a nuisance of yourself. She's giving you a chance to see if she wants to spend time with you; you're the one who already wants to spend time with her.

When girls start coming up to you and asking you out, then you can expect them to spend the money (I fully expect a story where this happens to mysteriously occur in the near future too, now that I mentioned this.)



You should. You're the one that initiated this.



No, because if you're paying money to take her on a date, sex will eventually develop as part of the relationship - not prostitution. So no, I don't have it backwards because you're superimposing your overemphasis on sex for your own gratification on the situation.

If, on the other hand, you're insisting she sleep with you for you to spend money on her you're either just paying her after the fact with entertainment, which is just prostitution with a convoluted buisness arrangement, because you only cared about getting laid. If you never spend any money on her after sleeping with her at all, you're just a cheapass douchebag who seduces chicks because he can't keep his fly zipped; essentially no different than hiring a prostitute and not paying her.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

DE, from what I gather from your posts here, you seem to be a fairly intelligent person. Additionally, since you have been here long enough to know better, I ask you this one question...

Why are you bothering with this conversation?

No one is going to change his mind. He will continue to be the way he is, whether it is real or just an act to get his internet jollies. Who cares.

Then again, maybe you are just trying to pull more of this ridiculous information from him for your own amusement.

Either way, this is a ridiculous thread. Unfortunately it is like a trainwreck, natural disaster and car accident all rolled into one. I just can't look away.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

Not paying shows that you're more worried about something like money, not the quality of the experience. It also shows you're not willing to just man up, and make the experience as amazing as the woman was hoping. Believe it or not, women want men to wow them. If you prefer it happens the other way, have fun with that. Women also see this maneuver as the sign of a very douchy individual. That's not to say you are, but that's definitely the way it comes off. I'm more important than your stupid a$$. You aren't worth $5, you good for nothing skank. That's pretty much what you're saying by doing this, which I hate to remind you is only going to attract the less desirable people of this world.

Also, you claim you don't want to be the center of attention, yet you sure don't demonstrate anything that would suggest otherwise with everything you say in this thread, especially the way you conduct yourself within the thread itself.

Perhaps the fact that you always have to be right, and you always claim to have things figured out, is another flaw in your entire logic. That's one trait that pretty much 100% of humanity dislikes in others. You can "figure" everything out based on your little trials, but I would've thought by now that you'd have realizde that your entire approach/attitude is what turns people off. Argue all day long, as it'll only further demonstrate just how far out there you are from being in touch with reality of how things really are. Society doesn't particularly care for people who are A) full of themselves B) the type that always have to be right. You sir, fit both A and B, no offense.

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I'd rather not spend time with people who require me to pay for them. Just not worth it. It's not fun.

If they don't like it, they can find a guy who will pay for them. That's their business and fine by me.

I already explained, but maybe you missed it. I full epect him to end up with a disease, in jail, seriously injured, or dead, or some combination thereof.

I post this only in case there are lurkers who are young and think he'a actually saying something cool or intelligent.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I just gave myself a lot of adrenaline...

I was waiting for the bathroom in Starbucks and saw 2 girls seated. So I walked right up, interrupted their conversation, and said "Hi! I'm waiting for the bathroom, so in the meantime you guys have to introduce yourselves to me!" It actually turned out pretty well... one was quite engaged in talking with me. Both won't be in the area for long but I got a Facebook (after I came back out of the bathroom).

So after you achieve what you're looking for in regards to increasing your social skills, what do you plan on doing with those new found skills after you've hit and quit every single girl you've ever met? What about working on those deeper social skills that require having a relationship deeper than sticking an object in a hole.

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Lurkers? Who? And from where?

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

At that point I will find my nearly perfect girl and genuinely try to date her. If we break up I will repeat said action.

I'm successful at things I try to do. Eventually I will have an amazing girlfriend, and you people will scratch your heads and wonder how that happened. I'm not going to settle for just a good, compatible one. I want an amazing one. This stuff is important.

You people would rather have me sit around and wait for a girl to fall from the sky. It doesn't work that way.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Be sure to show her this thread. I'm sure she'll be very impressed.

We have tons of lurkers. It's nice to draw them out every once in awhile.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

If that is your goal, then I'm sure no one here objects to it. What we question are your methods.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Let's hope for you that her standards aren't quite as high. Trust me, we won't be wondering how you got her. We'll know exactly how, all too well, from reading threads like this. At the end of the day, it's all up to you how you want to run your life. Personally, I don't care what you do or don't do. I just thought I'd chime in and share more of the same opinion that's been echoed throughout this thread.

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Rynar:

I suppose you have a better way of meeting women than talking to them?

I'm not Rynar, but I believe I have a similar answer.

It's not that talking to them is a bad thing. Your approach is what's in question. Butting into conversations and being persistent with people who clearly don't want to talk to you is what's striking us the wrong way. You don't need to be jackass just for your own amusement in order to "talk with women." There's a reason they say all of the good men are taken already. Random men approaching women in the manner you do doesn't come off as someone who has a lot to offer. If I were a women, I'd probably question how many times you've been doing it and what exactly your motives are to randomly butt into a conversation. Maybe it works out from time to time. I'm just saying, most people don't really appreciate it, regardless of gender. It's just common courtesy. That doesn't mean you can't still talk to women randomly. You can just make your approaches a little less...intrusive.

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Not all my approaches are intrusive. If I can improvise a clever way to not make it intrusive, then I go with that. If I can't, I go with the direct approach. If they are talking I ask if it was about something important. Obviously if I am rude then it won't go anywhere. Being a jackass doesn't amuse me unless it gets me somewhere good.

Most women are fine with it because I am not awkward really... I am much better at vibing now and calibrating to the situation. If it isn't going anywhere I just drop it.

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They didn't used to be fine with it. But after having been in hundreds of these situations, I'm starting to get a feel of what works and what doesn't. I now avoid situations that I know will never work. I don't want to waste emo state change on a pointless situation (like talking to males or unattractive women for example).

Oh and yesterday I talked to a group of three girls and got a phone number from one. And we've been texting longish things back and forth. So it does work.

The scary thing is that you've needed hundreds of these situations, only to still be randomly chasing around tail. Maybe if it didn't work the first 100+ times, there's something you need to change in order to make one of them more lasting. Then again, if that's the lifestyle you prefer, who am I to disagree. In my case, I've never understood the whole cold approach to women. Out of all the women I've met, none of them started with me randomly approaching them. All of them began with mutual interest that was initiated after we'd already been around each other conversing. I also found it much easier to move forward with a meaningful relationship considering the entire relationship was established with a stronger foundation. It also gave me an opportunity to get to know the person's personality a bit before I jumped in like a damn hungry/horny baboon looking for a banana, like 95% of the other alpha male douchbags of the planet. Maybe, just maybe, that's what separates those men from these men. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut eventually. I understand your approach. I'm just saying, the blind squirrel has the ability to regain his sight, rather than to continue searching around aimlessly.

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Gah, trainwreck!

Lex,

I am curious to know what traits you find "amazing" in a girl friend or wife and what is the difference between one that is just "compatible" and "good".

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

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Why don't you try approaching a girl you've never met, see if you can appear as something other than a baboon. It takes hundreds of times to get a hang of it. Most girls aren't open to a stranger hitting on them unless he is VERY good at it. Until you have total comfort with walking up to a stranger, and feeling no emotional state change from any part of the interaction, you will suck at it. Similar to martial arts or something. You also need to know how to push the conversation non-awkwardly, correct body language and vocal tonality, how to make her comfortable but not too comfortable, make it playful, when to ask for the number, other things to say, how to come off as a normal person, etc.

I never meet women other than cold approaching, or friends of women I've met through cold approaching. I don't understand how all these women just pop into your life. I'm not in school anymore.

Some girls can't be approached because you have no reason to be talking to them other than getting in their pants. A girl you don't know who you approach with candid eagerness is going to think one of two things: you just want to **** her or you are some weird person with some sort of weird overdepedency for attention, neither of which helps your situation, unless she is just looking to get ****, in which case, you will probably be successful regardless of your approach.

It is why having some common interest (or being able to synthesize one on the spot) works well. It's like subterfuge, slight of hand in the way it helps girls get over the initial creepy stage where it's obvious that your only interest in her is purely selfish (either sex or attention). This is where looking good also helps; it basically signals to her that you are more well precieved by society than someone who is not. I know you already disagreed with this and I'm sorry you are self concious qbout your appearance, but it's true. Women pick up on how you carry yourself, and part of how you carry yourself includes how you look, some of which is purely luck in genetics.

If you don't understand how people meet women, maybe you need some hobbies outside purely getting women (or trying to as the case may be). Your bound to run into some. Also, you don't have a personality outside of attempting all these social machinations, you are going to come across as a huge bag of bullshit, something which women are pretty good at picking up on. You may be able get easy slutbag chicks every once in a while (see point above about being able to approach girls who are already 50% worked) but your inability to connect meaningfully in an actual relationship will quickly become obvious. it will also make having any friends less likely, as being an ungenuine ******* isn't just some socially contextual switch you can turn off and on. The more you develop this skill, the more it will come to displace your actual personality.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

There's a reason most people who find their final mate had it occur when they least expected it. It's a hell of a lot more natural. Forcing it is going to turn up bad results more often than not. Have trouble encountering women in your life because you're not in school? No problem. There's this great thing about life, it's called time. You still have plenty of it.

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