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By Michael Yon

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

The Greatest Afghanistan War has deteriorated so noticeably that one can now feel the enemy's growing pulse. Each month it beats steadier, stronger, and in 2010 it will finally be born.

On Sept. 11 in Kandahar, a South African civilian working without security was visibly upset - not at the Taliban but at the police. The 16-year police veteran recounted seeing Afghan police speeding through crowded streets and hitting a bicycle. The rider gymnastically avoided impact while the bicycle was tossed down the road.

The South African, with whom I spent a week in Helmand and Kandahar provinces, said the police never slowed down. "That's part of the reason the Taliban are gaining ground," he said. "The police are out there recruiting Taliban."

I have searched for answers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Along with the more strategic questions (for example, should war be pursued?) are those closer to the shop floor: Are we gaining or losing popular support? Is the enemy gaining or losing strength? Is the coalition gaining or losing strength?

The first answer is a common denominator for the rest.

We are losing popular support. Confidence in the Afghan and coalition governments is plummeting. Loss of human terrain is evident. Conditions are building for an avalanche. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the military commander in Afghanistan, and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates are aware of the rumbling, and so today we are bound by rules of engagement that appear insensible.

We must curb civilian losses at expense to ourselves. I believe the reasoning is sound and will share those increased dangers. Erosion of popular support seems reversible. There still is considerable good will from the Afghan population, but bomb by bomb we can blow it. We have breathing room if we work with wise alacrity. I sense a favorable shift in our operations occurring under Gen. McChrystal.

Enemies are strengthening. Attacks are dramatically increasing in frequency and efficacy. We are being out-governed by tribes and historical social structures. These structures are - and will be for the foreseeable future - the most powerful influence upon and within the political terrain. "Democracy" does not grow on land where most people don't vote. The most remarkable item I saw during the Aug. 20 elections was the machine-gun ambush we walked into.

The coalition is weakening. While the U.S. has gotten serious, the organism called NATO is a jellyfish for which the United States is both sea and prevailing wind. The disappointing effort from many partners is best exemplified by the partners who are pushing hardest: The British are fine examples.

The British landed in Helmand province after someone apparently vouched that Helmand would be safe, and they believed it. Helmand is today the most dangerous province in Afghanistan.

British combat tours are arduous and the troops suffer in countless ways. The soldiers sweat and freeze in the desert filth; British rations are terrible; mail can be weeks late; and they fight constantly. Troops endure high casualties yet they keep fighting. These things are true. Some say the British "lost Helmand," but this is not true. Helmand was a mess before they arrived. British soldiers are strong but their government is pitiful, leading to an average effort in Afghanistan.

Example: The British serve six-month tours, minus two weeks' leave. Travel is not deducted from leave. Troops are so few at Forward Operating Base Inkerman that missions are planned around leave schedules. For leave, a soldier at Inkerman must helicopter to Camp Bastion (the main British military base in Afghanistan) to jet home.

Helicopters are scarce, making flight schedules erratic. As leave approaches, soldiers stop doing missions and wait for a helicopter. The waiting can last a week or more. Then they get home, take two weeks' leave, then transport back to Bastion, where the soldier waits to helicopter back to Inkerman.

When I departed Bastion last month, some soldiers waited three weeks to helicopter back to Inkerman, and were still waiting. That's six to seven lost weeks for a soldier on a six-month tour. After other distractions, British soldiers might net three months of focused work. There is zero time to conduct counterinsurgency, and besides, the British military, despite its war-fighting ability, is not good at counterinsurgency. Without change, London likely will be defeated in Helmand within roughly two years, which brings us to the fall of 2011.

Germans had deployed to one of the safest areas in Afghanistan yet today they are staggered by Taliban punches. Berlin is brittle and apt to quit. Smart money says the Germans crumble from any significant role by 2011.

Canadians will quit in 2011. Canadian soldiers have earned respect, but their NATO-partner government has empowered our enemies by quitting at a crucial moment. This likely will be remembered consciously and subconsciously in future dealings with Ottawa.

Other fine partners, such as the Dutch, who have fought well, plan to downsize right when we need them most. The Dutch need to stay in this fight and increase their efforts. We need them.

The key partner in redirecting Afghanistan should be the Afghan government. Yet Afghan President Hamid Karzai's corrupt narcocracy is widely disrespected by Afghans and increasingly combative with the coalition. We are pouring support into a government that we don't want, and many Afghans resent.

On Aug. 26, I was in Helmand with the British when a bomb exploded in Kandahar, killing at least 41 people and blowing out windows in the room I later rented to write this account. There were bombs and attacks on a daily basis in Kandahar but I only watch from the roof as Afghans kill Afghans. Potential for civil war is great.

In this unprecedented moment, dozens of the world's most notable nations have focused on helping one land, yet Western sympathies for Afghanistan already have peaked.

While an Afghan avalanche is poised, our thoughts are growing cold. This is it. Either we will begin to show progress by the end of 2010 or, piece by piece, the coalition will cleave off and drift away, meaning 2011 will begin the end to significant involvement in Afghanistan.

Michael Yon is a writer and former Green Beret who has spent more time in Iraq and Afghanistan with U.S. and British combat forces than any other journalist.


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Yeah it's certainly getting more and more serious there and has been for some time.

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The US has been in trouble in Afghanistan for many years. Basically, since we shifted focus to Iraq.

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Our shift in focus to Iraq does not account for the situation any of the allies listed in the article find themselves in.

Britain has been trying to fight by pulling money for operations out of the peacetime military budget. German soldiers are fat and unmotivated since they no longer fear the Soviets and Germans go to absurd lengths to avoid any appearance of "militarism".

As for the Canadians and the Dutch, they've largely just had it with the Afghan government. Ultimately, if the Afghans are not willing to make it work it doesn't matter what we focus on or what our allies do.

Then, of course, there's the problem of the Pakistani border. Even if every soldier we ever sent to Iraq had gone to Afghanistan instead, that would not solve the problem of the "safe haven" of Pakistan.

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- There is no immediate danger of Afghanistan falling to the Taliban, National Security Adviser James Jones said Sunday. National Security Adviser James Jones called for building up Afghanistan's police and military forces.

"I don't foresee the return of the Taliban," Jones said on CNN's "State of the Union." "And I want to be very clear that Afghanistan is not in danger -- imminent danger -- of falling."

President Obama is overseeing a review of U.S. strategy in Afghanistan, with his top general in that country, some other military leaders and opposition Republicans pressing him to act quickly to increase the present 68,000-troop level by up to 40,000 troops.

"This is a strategic moment," Jones, a retired Marine Corps general, said of the review that included a three-hour meeting of top Cabinet officials, generals and other advisers last week. Additional meetings are planned for the coming week.

In March, Obama announced a plan to send more than 20,000 additional troops to Afghanistan to provide security for a national election. That followed what Obama and others call years of under-resourcing in Afghanistan due to the previous administration's focus on Iraq.

The Obama strategy was based on a counterinsurgency mission intended to both defeat terrorists based in Afghanistan while winning local support and helping with development.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who took over as the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan four months ago, has submitted an assessment in which he reportedly says he needs additional forces to successfully carry out the counterinsurgency strategy. Otherwise, McChrystal reportedly warns, the mission could fail, bringing a return of power to the Taliban.

Obama has yet to respond to McChrystal's report, prompting opponents to accuse him of indecisiveness and playing politics that put U.S. troops at risk.

Eight American troops and two Afghan security force members were killed Saturday when militants opened fire on an outpost with rockets, mortars and heavy-caliber machine guns, according to an initial U.S. military report on the battle. Video Watch how hundreds of militants attacked outpost »

It was the largest number of Americans killed by hostile action in a single day in Afghanistan since July 13, 2008, according to CNN records.

Republicans said Sunday that Obama needs to quickly agree to McChrystal's request to salvage the mission. Video Watch two senators talk about possibility of sending more troops »

"If we don't add more troops, you're going to see more of what happened yesterday," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, said on "Fox News Sunday." "The security situation's going to get worse. And any hope of better governance is lost, and the Taliban will re-emerge."

Jones, on the CNN program, cited three developments since March that led the White House to reconsider its overall Afghanistan strategy: questions about the legitimacy of President Hamid Karzai's election victory; the conclusion by McChrystal that the Taliban is stronger than previously thought; and neighboring Pakistan's improved efforts to change the overall dynamic of the border region.

"The key in Afghanistan is to have a triad of things happen simultaneously," Jones said, listing improved security, economic development and "good governance and the rule of law."

He said the Karzai government "is going to have to pitch in and do much better than they have" to improve the governance situation after elections widely considered tainted by vote fraud in some areas.

Both Jones and Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, called for building up Afghanistan's police and military forces as part of overall U.S. strategy.

Levin, speaking on the CBS program "Face the Nation," and Jones said the strategy review would provide Obama with options for how to proceed.

"In the coming weeks, we will have vigorous debates. There will be alternative views presented and I'm quite sure we'll come up with the right solution," Jones said.

Some in Obama's inner circle, including Vice President Joe Biden, are advocating a counterterrorism approach that focuses on combating al Qaeda through the use of unmanned drones and special forces without involving additional troops.

Others, especially McChrystal, are advocating a broader counterinsurgency approach that would require a much larger U.S. military footprint in the country.

"If you send troops in, we'll have a second chance at governance," Graham said on the Fox program, adding: "What we have in place now is not going to work. Gen. McChrystal tells us that. He needs reinforcements. And I hope the president will send them and let us all work together for better governance, because the Taliban are going to win if we don't change course soon."
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A senior U.S. military official familiar with McChrystal's thinking told CNN the general would have mentioned a counterterrorism approach in his assessment if he thought it was viable. According to the official, McChrystal has been consistent in interviews that he thinks a fully resourced counterinsurgency strategy is the proper approach.

"He does not support a counterterrorism strategy," the official said. "He believes counterinsurgency is the best solution.
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I would have felt better without the word 'imminent' in there. That and we can't seem to economically develop our way out of a paper bag right now.

2011's hit summer movie, 'Last Plane Out of Kabul.'

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The real problem in developing Afghanistan is the appalling state of education in that country. It spent 10 years dealing with a Soviet invasion, another 10+ years under the Taliban and now another nearly 10 years fighting the remains of the Taliban off. Combined with the fact that the Communist government did almost nothing in terms of education and the Taliban actively attacked education and modernity to maintain Islamic purity and essentially a generation plus has received almost no education.

This produces a cascade effect. Without educated workers it's hard to do basic things like get the power grid working and extended. Without power its hard or impossible to start on things like water distribution, sewer, healthcare, etc, including... you guessed it, education.

It's far more of an uphill battle in terms of the culture and social environment than Iraq. Add to that the rough terrain and safe haven for enemy forces and the situation has been very difficult to remedy from the beginning, just because of all the catch-22s.

More troops earlier would certainly have helped knock the Taliban down to allow breathing space for other development, but in order to really make things stable you need to educate people so they have the critical thinking skills to understand what they need to do as a nation to succeed in the long run.

On top of that there's the national dependance on opium for income, which is a whole additional mess of issues all by itself.

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I like how Obama blamed Bush for not giving Afghanistan the resources it needs, and now he's looking into pulling more resources out.


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I like how Obama blamed Bush for not giving Afghanistan the resources it needs, and now he's looking into pulling more resources out.

But he's on the record as critical of Bush's handling of it, so any failure there will continue to be Bush's, in his supporters' eyes.

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But he's on the record as critical of Bush's handling of it, so any failure there will continue to be Bush's, in his supporters' eyes.

That's a pretty bold claim. I can't imagine any supporter of Obama to actually be so naive to think he isn't responsible for his own policies and actions. To attempt to push the blame to someone out of office for 9+ months would be counter to the intellectual thought process that brought them to support Obama in the first place.


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Ladas there is a certain assumption in your last sentence that you might not be aware you are making.

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Ladas wrote:
I can't imagine any supporter of Obama to actually be so naive to think he isn't responsible for his own policies and actions. To attempt to push the blame to someone out of office for 9+ months would be counter to the intellectual thought process that brought them to support Obama in the first place.


Is that not what the following post implicitly indicates?

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The US has been in trouble in Afghanistan for many years. Basically, since we shifted focus to Iraq.

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From the Washington Times...

Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.


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Ladas wrote:
From the Washington Times...

Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.


I believe tone is the greatest contributor to sarcasm.


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Incorrect. Text, is incapable of conveying tone.

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I think it can be said that Obama now owns every issue and problem this country faces. He's played out the "inherited from bush" card to it's max.

Afghanistan is going to be a wedge issue for Obama supporters. If he sends more troops to make his "war of necessity" work, he alienates the peaceniks. If he pulls a Kerry waffle on the issue, he fails another campagin promise, and alienates the moderates.

I feel Obama was, and still is, unprepared to be the President. It's a long stretch from making campagin promises and having to live up to them. With the internet, we have every promise he made, in the context and tone he made it in. Really there is no way for him to back out of it, and relying on the sports team mentality to carry him through the next election isn't looking too good.

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Incorrect. Text, is incapable of conveying tone.


Hmm... correct but imprecise, I'd counter.

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I think it can be said that Obama now owns every issue and problem this country faces. He's played out the "inherited from bush" card to it's max.


That's pretty convienient. Yes, the way forward is definitely in his lap now, but the past is in *no* way his fault, and cannot be forgotten as things play out. We are far too fond of glossing over our past and not holding people responsible for it.


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Afghanistan is going to be a wedge issue for Obama supporters. If he sends more troops to make his "war of necessity" work, he alienates the peaceniks. If he pulls a Kerry waffle on the issue, he fails another campagin promise, and alienates the moderates.


I will never understand why any person on the planet thinks they can succeed where Alexander the Great could not. The political costs are dire no matter what we chose, and while I'd like to think that wouldn't matter, I know that it will. Obama is in a very, very tight spot on Afghanistan, and as DE pointed out, a lot of that has now shifted to Pakistan as well.

The problem is at this point, there is no good answer. The failures of the last 8 years have left us in a terribly untenable position. We failed the Afghan people, and that blame lies at Bush's feet first and foremost. His failure to do that job *right*, from the get go, has led us to where we stand now.

That being said, the way forward is up to the President. What do we want? He has stated that his goal is to deal with AQ. ok, let's do that. I'm all for that. However, that means dealing with two foes - the resurgent Taliban and AQ. If you let one go, they will foster the other. I don't really see a way to turn them against each other, either.


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I feel Obama was, and still is, unprepared to be the President. It's a long stretch from making campagin promises and having to live up to them. With the internet, we have every promise he made, in the context and tone he made it in. Really there is no way for him to back out of it, and relying on the sports team mentality to carry him through the next election isn't looking too good.


No one has ever been fully prepared to be President. No one. Not Washington, not Lincoln, and not Obama. That being said, I think he has a *much* keener intellect than his predecessor, a better grasp on international relations and diplomacy, and a much more intellectually engaged administration.

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That's pretty convienient. Yes, the way forward is definitely in his lap now, but the past is in *no* way his fault, and cannot be forgotten as things play out. We are far too fond of glossing over our past and not holding people responsible for it.


The only reason its not his fault is that the siutation really wasn't that bad to begin with. Yes, things aren't exactly rosy. However, there's nothing to hold anyone "responsible" for, nor is anyone glossing over the past. The other side plays for keeps, and we can't always neutralize all their advantages right away.

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I will never understand why any person on the planet thinks they can succeed where Alexander the Great could not. The political costs are dire no matter what we chose, and while I'd like to think that wouldn't matter, I know that it will. Obama is in a very, very tight spot on Afghanistan, and as DE pointed out, a lot of that has now shifted to Pakistan as well.


What political costs are you referring to? As for the use of Pakistan as a refuge.. well, that was pretty much inevitable. It's doesn't take much for AQ and the Taliban to go "hmmm...border... sympathetic people... maybe we should set up operations on the other side of THIS line!"

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The problem is at this point, there is no good answer. The failures of the last 8 years have left us in a terribly untenable position. We failed the Afghan people, and that blame lies at Bush's feet first and foremost. His failure to do that job *right*, from the get go, has led us to where we stand now.


He pretty much did do it right from the get-go. There's only so much you can do, and these things take a long time. The average amount of time to defeat an insurgent threat is 9 years; we're just now approaching that in Afghanistan and given that its the average its entirely reasonable to expect it to take longer. I'm sure you'll claim he "lost focus" to go to Iraq, or something, but whilenot doing that might have improved things in Afghanistan to some degree, all the troops in the world don't solve the basic operational problems, and we really don't have as much supply line "bandwidth" to pump as many troops into Afghanistan with since it's landlocked.

Of course, the Taliban and many other Eastern cultures and organizations take the long view in all this, which is their real advantage. They're playing for time. They know that people like you will complain about failure and undermine our effort. That's their whole strategy. They don't keep coming out to fight in the hope htat they'll win through force of arms. They keep fighting in order to win a battle of public opinion, and in this case they have a safe haven that neither George Bush nor Barack Obama can do much about.

As for Alexander the Great, I have no idea why you think he's any sort of benchmark of feasibility.

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That being said, the way forward is up to the President. What do we want? He has stated that his goal is to deal with AQ. ok, let's do that. I'm all for that. However, that means dealing with two foes - the resurgent Taliban and AQ. If you let one go, they will foster the other. I don't really see a way to turn them against each other, either.


That's true; it's unlikely that they will turn against each other. However, I don't know what you mean by them "fostering" each other, or how that is meaningful.

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No one has ever been fully prepared to be President. No one. Not Washington, not Lincoln, and not Obama. That being said, I think he has a *much* keener intellect than his predecessor, a better grasp on international relations and diplomacy, and a much more intellectually engaged administration.


Yes, we get that he's doing things the way you prefer, and that means that in your mind he's superior in all those ways. AS for no one being "prepared" to be President, that certainly doesn't mean that all are equally unprepared.

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Allow me to correct the title of this thread.

U.S. In Trouble ... E V E R Y W H E R E ! ! ! !


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Incorrect. Text, is incapable of conveying tone.


Oh, Reeeeaaaaallly?


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Incorrect. Text, is incapable of conveying tone.


Oh, Reeeeaaaaallly?


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