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This article discusses a Doctor who is closing his practice because it was costing him more money to keep the office open than he was being paid.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/health/medicare_headaches_lead_doctor_to_shutter_practice_98277779.html?c=y&page=1#storytop

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Dr. Michael R. Natalino's waiting room was eerily empty one morning last week. No one was in the reception area to greet a visitor. No one was sitting in any of the waiting room chairs.
After 27 years of caring for thousands of patients, Natalino, 65, came to the anguished conclusion that it no longer made financial sense to keep his office open. So the San Antonio pulmonologist shuttered his practice early this month.

“I don't want to quit medicine, but I know there is no choice,” Natalino said.

The unpredictability associated with Medicare reimbursements, the recurring threat of cuts in Medicare payments to physicians and mounting bureaucratic hurdles in health care are all to blame for the closing, he said.

Natalino's complaints are echoed by many doctors, some of whom have chosen not to take on new Medicare patients or have dropped out of the program. But those instances don't compare with the drastic measure of closing a practice.

“It's a gut-wrenching decision for a physician to do that,” said Dr. Susan Bailey, president of the Texas Medical Association. “Physicians don't like to leave their patients. To shut down a practice is a real tragedy.”

Respiratory & Intensive Care Associates, which operated in the shadows of Northeast Baptist Hospital, was running in the red, Natalino said, because he hadn't been paid on some $500,000 billed to Medicare in the past year.

Medicare uses “any reason to slow down, reduce or basically stop payment,” Natalino said.

It took two employees to handle Medicare billing: one to perform the actual billing and the other to deal with all the denials, he said.

Peter Askenaz, a spokesman for the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, responded that claims are paid within two weeks to 30 days, provided there are no billing errors. That's quicker than private insurers, which can take up to six months, he said.
“We know we're the fastest payer out there, as long as there are no problems,” he said.
Something as simple as an incorrect mailing address for a physician can cause Medicare's contractor to withhold payments until the problem is cleared up, another CMS representative wrote in an e-mail.

CMS representatives declined to speak about Natalino's situation because he didn't grant them permission. He's concerned it could affect his ability to collect what he said he's owed from Medicare.

Medicare patients accounted for 80 percent of Natalino's practice, which is not uncommon for a specialist who treats illnesses that typically affect older people.

“If you lose 80 percent of your revenue, then you don't have even enough to make your overhead,” said Antonio W. Felices, a medical business consultant who advises Natalino. Overhead runs about 60 percent of revenue at an efficient practice, Felices noted.

“I haven't taken home a paycheck in a couple of months,” Natalino added. “There's no money.”

Besides not getting paid by Medicare, Natalino has fretted over pending cuts in Medicare payments to physicians. Doctors escaped a 21 percent reduction last month after President Barack Obama signed legislation pushing it back until the end of November.

“I don't wish to continue to be angry and anxious and frustrated all the time,” Natalino said.

Neither do other doctors. Texas Medical Association members have reported more physicians are weighing whether to accept new Medicare patients or to continue treating others.

CMS counters that the number of doctors participating in the program has been on the rise. Its data show 94.6 percent of Texas doctors participate in Medicare, up from 89.4 percent in 2003.
“The conventional wisdom isn't supported by the hard data,” wrote CMS spokesman Bob Moos in an e-mail.
But Bailey, the medical association president, said that “CMS is not going to reflect doctors who are not taking new patients, (and) it's not going to reflect how doctors are trying to book fewer (Medicare) patients in a week so they don't lose as much money.”

Neither was an option for Natalino. A specialist who turns down a Medicare referral from a primary care physician risks losing from that same doctor a referral covered by private insurance, he said

“A specialist is in a difficult position,” said Dr. John Holcomb, a pulmonary- and critical-care specialist in San Antonio.

Natalino isn't optimistic that the landmark health care reform legislation passed this year will improve the outlook for medical care. He predicted the changes will lead to reductions in care and more rigid rules for doctors in how they care for patients.

“U.S. medicine is now the most regulated business in the world, and here they are going to (make) it even more so,” he said. “With each one of those (new regulations), the cost goes up. ... It takes a lot of the flexibility away of taking care of patients.”

Natalino wanted to continue to treat his patients for another five years before he retired. Now his patients have been referred to another physician.

Natalino will join Cedra Clinical Research LLC, where he will monitor subjects in clinical drug tests, among other things.

“It's OK,” he said. “But it's not what I've done, and what I feel like I was meant to do.”


Note that the statement by the CMS guy is misleading at the very least. CMS (which sends out Medicare payments) has stopped all payments for roughly one have of 2010. Usually this happens when there is a payment cut put in that is expected to be reversed. This has put them further and further behind in their payments.

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I wonder if he will practice in private for gold or silver.

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http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/05/doctors-forced-accept-medicare-rates-stay-licensed.html

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Massachusetts has a problem.

In April 2007, they became the first state to require residents to have health insurance. Reportedly this has resulted in 300,000 newly insured patients and lowered the uninsured population to 5%. But of course, given the relatively poor reimbursement rates for primary care providers, especially when it comes to government insurance, the state is facing a growing shortage of primary care providers.

Without an adequate supply of primary care physicians, however, the plan cannot guarantee timely access to care, creating a gap between coverage and actual provision of services. As a result, waiting times to see a primary care physician can amount to weeks and even months in some instances.


It’s ironic since the health care reform bill in Massachusetts was supposed to stress the importance of preventative care but because of the relative shortage of doctors to deliver preventative care, many patients are seeking primary care from specialists. Unfortunately, specialists also specialize in expensive care. Thus, health reform in Massachusetts has resulted in decreased access to primary care and higher costs.

This is what happens when you call an expansion of government health care spending, health care “reform” instead of legislation that actually reforms a broken system. This may be a bad harbinger of what is to come for the rest of the nation.

What can Massachusetts do to actually reform their primary care system? Well, they can improve primary care reimbursement or revamp the reimbursement system to reward overall care and good outcomes rather then only rewarding physicians for visits (quantity over quality) or medical school debt repayment. But why pay doctors more for better care when you can just force them to accept lower reimbursement rates (as low as 110% of Medicare rates) “as a condition of their licensure” that would effectively make these physicians employees of the state?

[Senate bill 2170 and house bill 4452] would require physicians and all other health care providers to accept 110% of Medicare rates for health insurance for small businesses. For physicians, acceptance of set rates would be as a condition of licensure! Moreover, physicians would have to accept all such patients – and such rates – if they participate in any other plan offered by that insurer.

The stated purpose of such a misguided bill is to try to decrease health care costs for small businesses but all it does is show how little the sponsors of these bills understand medical economics. These bills make no distinction between primary care providers who are in the best position to decrease costs and specialists who tend to increase costs. Both are penalized equally. Nor do these bills require private insurers to pass on savings to employers. The end result is likely to be a net loss of physicians to nearby states and many who join the increasing ranks of physicians who have cash only practices.

Even from a practical standpoint, these bills are confusing. What does “as a condition of their licensure” mean? Does this apply only to new applicants or to re-applicants? Are physicians who refuse to accept lower rates going to be stripped of their licenses? What about physicians who are employees of private health clinics who do not have control over the rates that are accepted? Will they be forced to quit or risk losing their licenses? Aren’t people in the Northeast supposed to be generally smarter or does that not apply to their state legislators? Is this the beginning of the nationalization of health care in this country? Is this a good time to get out of the profession of medical care?

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I would like to once again voice my support that the people in the government who voted for this healthcare be the first to suffer and die off as the price for idiocy.

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Pretty sure doctors will be doing fine when they suddenly have millions upon millions of new customers coming to them for care that could not afford to do so before.

Call me crazy, but this health care bill is a massive windfall for the health care industry. It's also a big win for patients who will be able to afford health care and not be terrified that their insurance company will cut them off at the knees in order to save a buck at the margins.

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Monte wrote:
Pretty sure doctors will be doing fine when they suddenly have millions upon millions of new customers coming to them for care that could not afford to do so before.

Call me crazy, but this health care bill is a massive windfall for the health care industry. It's also a big win for patients who will be able to afford health care and not be terrified that their insurance company will cut them off at the knees in order to save a buck at the margins.


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Monte wrote:
Pretty sure doctors will be doing fine when they suddenly have millions upon millions of new customers coming to them for care that could not afford to do so before.

Call me crazy, but this health care bill is a massive windfall for the health care industry. It's also a big win for patients who will be able to afford health care and not be terrified that their insurance company will cut them off at the knees in order to save a buck at the margins.

True, my doctor is always sitting on his hands waiting for me to call and schedule an appointment. That definitely explains why the soonest they can squeeze me in is a week from Tuesday.

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Because the work I do is exactly the same thing as health care.

Health care is not a commodity, like t-shirts or the services of a fight choreographer. I am sure you will disagree, but it's not.

Just more argument for going single payer or simply nationalizing the industry.

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Pretty sure doctors will be doing fine when they suddenly have millions upon millions of new customers coming to them for care that could not afford to do so before.

Call me crazy, but this health care bill is a massive windfall for the health care industry. It's also a big win for patients who will be able to afford health care and not be terrified that their insurance company will cut them off at the knees in order to save a buck at the margins.


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True, my doctor is always sitting on his hands waiting for me to call and schedule an appointment. That definitely explains why the soonest they can squeeze me in is a week from Tuesday.



A massive increase in demand is going to cause a shortage for a while, but more clinics will open to serve the demand.

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Because the work I do is exactly the same thing as health care.

Health care is not a commodity, like t-shirts or the services of a fight choreographer. I am sure you will disagree, but it's not.

Just more argument for going single payer or simply nationalizing the industry.


Does healthcare require the labor of someone other than yourself?

How do you propose, in your infinite wisdom, to make the doctors who are still practicing now continue to practice under a system that doesn't pay them?

How do you propose, oh great seer of things, to draw the best and the brightest to become new doctors if there is no potential for great rewards to balance the great sacrifices one must make to practice medicine?

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Monte wrote:
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True, my doctor is always sitting on his hands waiting for me to call and schedule an appointment. That definitely explains why the soonest they can squeeze me in is a week from Tuesday.



A massive increase in demand is going to cause a shortage for a while, but more clinics will open to serve the demand.

Not when they're going out of business because they can't afford to stay open. Seriously, did you even read it?

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Well, forgive me, but one guy going out of business is in no way a trend. He could have managed his business better.

I think this is an amazing display of hypocrisy, though. If this man were a man who had lost his job through no fault of his own, you would be screaming to the heavens that it must have been his own fault and that he was responsible for his unemployed state.

But oh, the poor victim of sosh'listicy tyranny.

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Can you explain how inadequate Medicare reimbursement is his fault?

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If he was a better business person, he could have made up his losses in other ways, right? If he had better business sense, he would have cut costs or expanded in order to deal with the new realities. But he didn't.

But he's a victim, and the unemployed guy is not.

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Monte wrote:
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True, my doctor is always sitting on his hands waiting for me to call and schedule an appointment. That definitely explains why the soonest they can squeeze me in is a week from Tuesday.



A massive increase in demand is going to cause a shortage for a while, but more clinics will open to serve the demand.


A doctor is not like a fry cook at mc donald's.

You can't just "Open a Clinic" without hiring trained, educated medical personnel.

There's already a doctor shortage in this country. You want to exacerbate that problem?

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If he was a better business person, he could have made up his losses in other ways, right? If he had better business sense, he would have cut costs or expanded in order to deal with the new realities. But he didn't.

But he's a victim, and the unemployed guy is not.



Wow. I didn't know you were this big of an idiot. That is truly surprising.

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There's already a doctor shortage in this country. You want to exacerbate that problem?

In another thread he proposes to double their taxes too. He's ...

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There's already a doctor shortage in this country. You want to exacerbate that problem?

In another thread he proposes to double their taxes too. He's ...

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FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY!!! THINK OF THE CHILDRENS!!!

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Out of curiosity: can the doctor refuse to see Medicare patients?


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Out of curiosity: can the doctor refuse to see Medicare patients?


I'm not sure, but I don't think they can.

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If he was a better business person, he could have made up his losses in other ways, right? If he had better business sense, he would have cut costs or expanded in order to deal with the new realities. But he didn't.

But he's a victim, and the unemployed guy is not.


You didn't read this thread either did you? Perhaps you should do some actual research about the plight of healthcare in Massachusetts since they adopted a universal system, a system that nearly mirrors the federal one, rather than sticking your head into the sand that is DKoS and political soundbites from President Obama and Governor Patrick.

Good Lord, man. I feel like I'm reading an Ayn Rand novel.

FarSky: Yes, and it is becoming more and more common. Scroll up and read the article I posted.

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