The Glade 4.0

Question - do white people have advantages that non whites do not? Any at all?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I can't think of any advantage I have over anyone else, other than personal motivation.

Same, but we're white, so we can't possibly understand what its like to be a black woman.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Oh please, come on Mus.

It's not that hard to imagine not taking **** from anyone and always yelling.

I'm not very good at snapping my fingers and sayin "Oh no you DIIN'T"

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Holy shitsnacks!

There was already a post about White Privilege last year.

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The Dude abides.

No.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Are you implying that you believe white people are somehow naturally superior because of their race?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

If all affirmative action and minority-favorable government programs were discontinued, and all laws that prohibit discrimination were to be repealed, then blacks would face significantly more challenges than whites in all aspects of life simply due to racism.

Do you want to be the politician that has to tell the black community, "We're really sorry, but racism against you guys is not the government's problem." Because that's basically what your position is.

The question is, what advantages do Asians have the most of, then white people less of, then Hispanics still less and finally black the least.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Sure, whites have the numbers. That's not an artificial advantage though, it's a natural one.

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In time, this too shall pass.

No they wouldn't. Some black people in certain areas might face some minor challanges, but they would hardly face "significantly more challanges in all aspects of life". This is the sort of unproveable, unfalsifiable bare assertion that is used to render racism a permenant problem that always exists and always needs more special treatment to fix.



Sure, I'd be happy to if it weren't for the fact that I'm not a politician. I'd add to the end of that "because it's trivial anyhow, and everyone else is tired of Jesse Jackson using it to make money."

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You can't force people to be racially equitable. Some (most) people don't care, but a government can't change the hearts of those who do. All they can do is have have more force and more reach. I can think of lots of black men and women (I admitted know fewer black women on a personal basis) that I'd hire at my business, let into my school whatever. they are good people and the fact they are black doesn't matter. Why should we let lazy people of any tribe slide?

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Ok, so those of you who think that white people and black people face the same challenges, and that there is no inequality between whites and blacks in our society, how do you explain the following facts -
In November of last year, the unemployment rate among black males was three times higher than that of white males. Lower income white teens are much more likely to find work than lower income black teens (see link).

NPR has it at about double, similar time frame

Study covering the differences between whites and blacks when it comes to education. I think it's interesting how new teachers are often assigned to minority schools. It's also interesting how schools wind up being segregated in a defacto sort of fashion in certain cities (although this study doesn't talk a whole lot about that).

A study regarding disparities in conviction rates

Racial disparities in execution rates

So, what gives? If there isn't any institutionalized racial bias, how do you explain these facts?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Those problems are socio-economic. Not racial.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Monte, maybe there are less blacks looking for jobs. Where I live, there are many, many black males that do not want honest jobs. Where are the statistics on that one?
Same goes for getting education.
You can't force people to get jobs and an education if they do not want them. Similarly, you can't count statistics that are assuming everyone is out actively looking for, seeking, and wanting jobs and education. Just because someone does not have a job or an education does not mean it was denied to them.
Sometimes its as simple as they just don't want to work for it.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Actually the education-based point is really interesting; namely that schools that are predominantly black can't attract good educators.

What's more interesting is that Monty, who alleges to have an educator as a female companion, isn't aware that teachers aren't "assigned" to particular schools. They're hired as part of the marketplace...

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I agree that it's socioeconomic in part. However, there's a whole lot of data that says very clearly that race has a great deal to do with it. Look at the way that crack cocaine is prosecuted verses powder cocaine. Or look at the conviction rates on blacks accused of the same crimes as whites. White people generally get executed for the same crimes as black people a lot less often. All of that shows that there is not only a socio-economic issue at work, but a race privilege issue at work.

LK - in each of the things I posted, I was talking rate and not raw numbers. In fact, a lot more white people get arrested, but they get convicted at much lower rate for committing the same crimes as black men. The racial bias is clearly illustrated. There are lots of other examples you can look at, but the evidence all points to the fact that we still have an institutional bias against non-whites when it comes to hiring and criminal justice.

In other words. If you have white skin, you are significantly more likely to be hired, especially in tough economic times. If you get arrested, you are less likely to be charged, less likely to be convicted, and less likely to face the harshest of punishments. You are less likely to even see the inside of a prison cell. If you're black, you are less likely to get a loan, regardless of your qualification. You are less likely to get into a college, regardless of your qualification. You are less likely to be paid as much as a white person doing the same job. You are less likely to be promoted into the highest job paying jobs, regardless of your qualifications.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

/facepalm

Perhaps you should look into the history behind the crack cocaine laws, look who pushed for them, and their reasoning behind them. As to the execution and incarceration numbers? That is entirely socio-economic as well. Lawyers get paid, after all, and better lawyers get more money because they are better at their job, which is at a minimum arguing for a lesser sentence.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Why yes, I have the ability to get labelled a racist by a cockstain who is more racist than I ever could be.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Hey, my special ability is to have my hard work and achievements demeaned because of my skin color by the same racist cockstains, ds.
Wonder twin powers activate!

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Well, to be fair, you could certainly say they'd see more challenges than they currently do. Because they'd have to get that 1500, not an 1100, on their SAT, they wouldn't have a protected percentage of reduced competition for government contracts for their small businesses, etc.

But that doesn't mean they'd see more challenges than white people currently do.

Also, Xeq -- nobody said we'd have to repeal all laws that prohibit discrimination; we'd merely have to repeal all laws that judge discrimination based on quotas.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Again though, what stood out to me in this article was that Asians get the most severe penalty. It's always about black and white in this country, white privilege and so forth. Yet Asians get the biggest hit so presumably they have the biggest advantage if the "white privilege" argument is true.

And yet, that certainly doesnt seem to be the case does it.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Programs such as affirmative action and minority directed projects create unfair advantages based upon nothing by racial make up, and as such are counter to the laws that dictate such selections of race are illegal. Eliminating those programs would only cause difficulty for minority businesses in that now they would have to compete on a level field rather than from a position of advantage.

Which is one of the amusing outcomes of those programs. Originally, the arguments in support of racial anti-discrimination laws was to eliminate the unfair advantage of white owned firms on the pretext that is should only be fair everyone compete on a level field and let effort/merit be the determining factor.

I realize you like to "forget" that something you believe supports your case is disproved and recycle the same "evidence" later, hoping no one picks up on it.

However, as stated a dozen times at least, the major proponents of stiffer penalties and jail time for crack cocaine over powder was the minority communities.