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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:37 am 
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Thumbs up.

Well acted, well written, CGI is pretty good, and it has one of the longest, best edited, montage sequences I've ever seen.

Anything more would probably get into spoiler territory. Empty your bladder before you go into the movie, don't buy anything to drink at the concession stand. Once the action starts there is no really good point to zip on out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:05 am 
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Without delving into too much spoilery detail, I will say it is probably the best film I've seen in a long while, particularly in that genre. It's a marvelous combination of '40s film noir and high-tech sci-fi. The cast is wonderful, particularly Tom Hardy, Ken Watanabe, and (my personal favorite) Marion Cotillard.

I definitely recommend this film. I'll be seeing it again in the coming days, but I will say that this movie should be a lesson to everyone who thinks action films can't have a good story. As Nolan proves, you can indeed have your cake and eat it too.

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Spoiler:
I liked it all except for the ending. I saw it coming, and I didn't like the ambiguousness of it.


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That was one of the best movies I've ever seen. Cinematic quality was fantastic, the plot was superb, and the ideas were mind-blowing. The acting was good, but this movie isn't about the acting. This is exactly what I would expect from the director who did The Dark Knight. I look forward to seeing more of Christopher Nolan's film, especially Batman 3.

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I think the vagueness of the ending is what made it even more brilliant. It was as vague as the dream world they were in. The paradox is that if the top eventually stops spinning, we know he's in the real world, but we can never find that out for certain.


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I'm going to see this one this coming weekend. =)

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This movie was so awesome I punched my momma.


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Huh so a must see would you all say? Maybe I'll check it out this week.

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I'm convinced that
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the entire movie was a dream.


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Awesome awesome. This was my type of movie, similar to Shutter Island oddly enough. I just hope DiCaprio isn't becoming typecast. ;-) I did actually predict this ending as one of the most likely ones from fairly early on, which was surprising to me because usually in movies like this I miss the mark. Maybe I've just reached the threshold of seeing enough movies "like this". There were a multitude of possible alternative endings, all of which I tossed around throughout the film, and all of which were plausible at various times throughout the film, but as the minutes winnowed down, the actual ending seemed like the most reasonable ending.


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via Twitter, MC Frontalot wrote:
"For a movie so hell-bent on placing big stakes on its ruleset, Inception had surprisingly sloppy holes in it. Totally worth a ticket tho."

"Inception ain't no Eternal Sunshine, but you ought not to miss it anyhow."
I found myself in complete agreement on both counts.

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Counter point:
Ugh I hated this movie. It was so ridiculously drawn out and predictable :(

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Inception's rules were consistent throughout.


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Lenas wrote:
Inception's rules were consistent throughout.
Not so sure about that.
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Think about how old Saito was just before he and Dom kicked out of Limbo and back to the plane. How did he come to be so old while Dom was so young, considering that he was still alive when Dom and Ariadne went to Limbo to rescue Fischer. That's either an inconsistency or requires some tricky explaining.

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Shelgeyr wrote:

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Think about how old Saito was just before he and Dom kicked out of Limbo and back to the plane. How did he come to be so old while Dom was so young, considering that he was still alive when Dom and Ariadne went to Limbo to rescue Fischer. That's either an inconsistency or requires some tricky explaining.


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I believe Saito has been dead for several minutes before Cobb and Ariadne make the jump into limbo. As the movie demonstrates, time changes exponentially depending on the level of dream. I am unsure if 5-10 minutes passing in level 3 (ice fortress) is 50 years in limbo for old Saito; but, it could be a viable explanation.

We know from the Cobb and Mal storyline that they “grew old together in limbo”. They killed themselves with the train after spending decades in limbo. They awoke to be young adults again; so we can conclude that a lifetime in limbo is a relatively short amount of time in the real world.

The truth is we never see what happens to Cobb between emotionally letting go of Mal in the crumbling limbo and arriving on the beach of Saito’s place. All we know is that Cobb is still fairly young and Saito is rather old. After the first screening, everyone I went to the movie with assumed it was because Cobb entered limbo at a later time than Saito.

We are debating dream levels, time disparities, and subconscious renderings of people in a movie. Nevertheless, I felt it stayed within its logical framework. A lot of it is open to interpretation (For example, the cutoff of the spinning top at the end was timed perfectly to create a state of uncertainty. The movie ended with the spinning top bobbling and possibly beginning to waiver. If it would have ended without a bobble people would have concluded he was dreaming, and if it would have ended with it toppling people would have known it was real life. Either way he was happy, why does it necessary matter if he was dreaming or not?)

While it is possible, I see no proof the ending scene was a dream.

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I don't know how to spoiler stuff so don't read if you don't want a spoiler.

Just saw it btw.

After 3/4's of the movie I was waiting for it to end in (hopefully) the way which would be most interesting...that the current level of reality is a dream and the young college girl is his wife disguised in the dream to try to dig him out, she has to get him to confront his guilty mind's version of herself before he will willfully be ready to leave.

The ending was meh.

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Can you explain why...
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his kids looked the same throughout the entire movie? even their clothes and how they were playing. If it was the real world at the end, wouldn't they be a few years older?


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Lenas wrote:

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Can you explain why...
his kids looked the same throughout the entire movie? even their clothes and how they were playing. If it was the real world at the end, wouldn't they be a few years older?


My Research:

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From IMDB casting:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/fullcredits#cast

Claire Geare ... Phillipa (3 years)
Magnus Nolan ... James (20 months)

Taylor Geare ... Phillipa (5 years)
Johnathan Geare ... James (3 years)

Kids look similar, but played by different actors. As far as clothing, I have heard some arguments that while the garments look similar, they are in fact slightly different. I haven’t seen any screenshots to confirm or deny this claim, and my memory isn’t near that detailed to remember.

In addition, we are never given a time frame from Mal’s suicide until the movies events (for all we know it could be 6 months).

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From his urgency and the grandpa's responses, I was assuming it had been at least a couple years.


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Wolsey:
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The only aspect of your explanation that I can't find myself in immediate agreement with is that Saito was dead before Dom and Ariadne went into Limbo. In particular, I recall Dom saying to Ariadne something like "Saito is dead by now, which means he's down here. I've gotta find him and give him the kick". If I'm misremembering, and Saito did in fact die some minutes before Dom and Ariadne dropped into Limbo, then that explains the age discrepancy. A different explanation is presented in the wiki article which suggests that Dom dies of the stab wound and loops back into limbo because he's still under the effects of the sedative, and that this death/return cycle somehow gives Saito time to age. Of course, the wiki article also states that Saito died before Mal shot Fischer, which I am relatively certain is not how events occurred (Saito died after firing shots and throwing a grenade into the ventilation shaft to delay the agents of Fischer's subconscious - while Fischer was laying dead on the floor, awaiting the kick from Limbo), so take the article's recounting with a grain of salt.

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INCEPTION is...odd.  I firmly believe it's a brilliantly staged film, and Nolan's juggling of (at times) *five* different layers of "reality" is deliriously audacious and flawlessly crafted. There were sequences in the film that left my mouth agape and my senses delighted, head spinning from both the story and the production skill required to pull it off. 

That said, I found it a bit lacking. Part of this, I'll admit, is likely my own prejudice. In my younger days, it was the more concrete aspects of a film that I admired. The cold, hard realities of Stanley Kubrick films were my mind's play-land, and that master of clinical detachment my cinematic professor. As I've aged, however, the mechanics of plot have lost much of their luster for me, and that elusive and intangible aspect known as "heart" had come to the fore as relevant and important. 

INCEPTION feels much like a Kubrick film in its machinations. The joys of the film come not from engaging characters, but from bearing witness to the skillful juggling, as Nolan weaves so many disparate threads together into a cohesive narrative. And make no mistakes, the joys found within are plentiful and original. 

The performances are uniformly excellent, but aside (possibly) from Dom, about whom should we care? It seems almost churlish to ask more of a film so intelligent, so willing to ask for attention and thought from its audience, so lovingly handcrafted, but wouldn't it be better to leave the film talking about the philosophical underpinnings or the great character interactions, rather than the (admittedly intricate and fascinating) clockwork mechanics of the plot? 

All of my criticisms stem from my own biases, mind you. I'm blaming the film for not being the film I wanted, rather than being bad at what it was.  I found the film to be a fantastically entertaining, engaging, and fascinating ride.  I just suppose I expected to be able to add 'though-provoking' to that list, to be able to discuss the morality and justifications of the characters, to examine philosophical underpinnings inherent in a world in which it's possible to invade a person's innermost sanctuary and mold it to your whim. As it stands, it's just a heist film, albeit one with a unique conceit and impeccable prduction. It's more the cinematic equivalent of a Rubik's cube. It's not a film for the heart, but it is one for the brain and senses.

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FarSky wrote:
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It's more the cinematic equivalent of a Rubik's cube. It's not a film for the heart, but it is one for the brain and senses.


I understand where you're coming from here but I disagree; ultimately I think that DiCaprio's angst-ridden performance (which admittedly is starting to become commonplace) propels it into emotionally-involved territory. We truly feel the climactic revelation of his wife's fate, we feel that train, we feel the ambiguous ending. There is emotion there.


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His desire to get home seemed so entirely one dimensional and uninuanced that there was no way for me to believe he was ever in reality throughout the film.

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FarSky wrote:
It's more the cinematic equivalent of a Rubik's cube. It's not a film for the heart, but it is one for the brain and senses.

It felt more like a recursive loop in programming.

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Okay I saw it.....it was f*cking epic. I really liked the things they were able to do with gravity and time and all the different concepts about dreaming that they addressed. I need to see it a few more times before I can comment any further. It was that awesome.

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