The Glade 4.0

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... tml?hpt=T2

In Hellfire because the inevitable argument about global warming is expected.

I'm in agreement that something is happening, but I'm not sure it is human induced, human aided maybe.

Massive ice island breaks off Greenland
August 7, 2010 9:43 a.m. EDT

Greenland's Petermann Glacier in 2009. Researchers say a quarter of the ice shelf has broken away.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
* 260 square-kilometer Ice island is biggest since 1962, researchers say
* Ice broke away from Petermann glacier early on Thursday
* Ice island could block Nares Strait which separates Canada, Greenland
* Environmentalists say Arctic ice melt caused by global warming

(CNN) -- A piece of ice four times the size of Manhattan island has broken away from an ice shelf in Greenland, according to scientists in the U.S.

The 260 square-kilometer (100 square miles) ice island separated from the Petermann Glacier in northern Greenland early on Thursday, researchers based at the University of Delaware said.

The ice island, which is about half the height of the Empire State Building, is the biggest piece of ice to break away from the Arctic icecap since 1962 and amounts to a quarter of the Petermann 70-kilometer floating ice shelf, according to research leader Andreas Muenchow.

"The freshwater stored in this ice island could keep the Delaware or Hudson rivers flowing for more than two years. It could also keep all U.S. public tap water flowing for 120 days," Muenchow said.

Muenchow's team is studying ice in the Nares Strait separating Greenland from Canada, about 1,000 kilometers south of the North Pole.

Satellite data from NASA's MODIS-Aqua satellite revealed the initial rupture which was confirmed within hours by Trudy Wohlleben of the Canadian Ice Service, according to the University of Delaware website.

Muenchow said the island could block the Nares Strait as it drifts south, or break into smaller islands and continue towards the open waters of the Atlantic.

"In Nares Strait, the ice island will encounter real islands that are all much smaller in size," he said.

"The newly born ice island may become land-fast, block the channel, or it may break into smaller pieces as it is propelled south by the prevailing ocean currents. From there, it will likely follow along the coasts of Baffin Island and Labrador, to reach the Atlantic within the next two years."

Environmentalists say ice melt is being caused by global warming with Arctic temperatures in the 1990s reaching their warmest level of any decade in at least 2,000 years, according to a study published in 2009.

Current trends could see the Arctic Ocean become ice free in summer months within decades, researchers predict.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Isn't that a little drastic?

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Researchers predict lots of things that never come true. Researchers predicted that setting off the atomic bomb would cause a chain effect that would engulf the world and end earth.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I'd like a job as a researcher then. I could be very good at "the sky will fall" predictions.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

I hear the qualifications are pretty much just.. 'have an opinion'...

Maybe, but countries that border on the Arctic Ocean (notably Russia and Canada) are already getting touchy about who will be entitled to control over any new shipping lanes or oil/gas deposits that become accessible as a result of the ice receding.

We are such idiots.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

This is true, but is has been commonly misunderstood in the public re-telling. One specific researcher on the project predict that there was a three-in-one-million chance of this happening. I'll look up his name later.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Edward Teller, I think.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I think "ice-free" arctic ocean is overstating it, but an ice-free route through the Arctic Sea has already started appearing. Two ships did a summertime transit, back in 2009. According to Wikipedia,it cuts 4000 miles off of the regular routes between Korea and Rotterdam, for example.

Could be poor writing, but I wonder if they mean a permanent ice-free route. That would be significant.

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This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge

Best line I've heard today.

Enrico Fermi, although since they were both involved (Teller, mainly in work on the "Super" or hydrogen bomb) he might have agreed with Fermi. They were both present for the test too. Fermi was racing to get the yield before anyone else, although he was off by 100% (he calculated 10 KT just a few seconds after the blast; it turned out to be 20) and Teller famously put on sun lotion just prior to the test.

Teller was also one of the two fathers of the Teller-Ulam design.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

So what was global warming like in 1962?

Well, the North Pole was ice-free in places...


http://www.icue.com/portal/site/iCue/fl ... card=41751



SO, in 1958 the ice at the polar ice cap was averaging 6-8 feet thick and up to 25 feet thick...

... and now?

Read for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_ice_cap


That's about 9 feet to 13 feet, up to 65 feet thick.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Heh... I wasn't actually expecting an answer, but thank you.

Oh man, remember when they fired up CERN and a blackhole ate the universe?

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Yeah, I told Katas to stop pushing buttons trying to get more Ermenthaler. Thank goodness Khross' had an alternate universe bubble for us to escape to ready.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I hate it when they do that.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

My current research indicates that by 2050, women will run 99.5% of global politics and economics. This will be a result of the 2022 invention of 3-D holigraphic internet porn.

We have to wait til 2022? *^%$

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What, man? I'm working as fast as I can. I keep getting distracted, though.

Stop buying lotion and get it done!

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Holodeck. WTB. Now.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Talk to the Canadians.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

I ate them all

I guess this disproves Canadians will ever invent time-travel since they would've come back in time and warned their predecessors to stop being so tasty... or alternatively they might have travelled back to eat their own proginators before they were all gone.

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