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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:07 am 
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Seriously, how much more retarded can you get? A whole family goes to the river...NONE OF THEM can swim...and they let 20 CHILDREN play in the river and 6 of them drown to death while their non-swimming parents watch?

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SHREVEPORT, La. – Six teenagers who could not swim drowned in a northwest Louisiana river during a family outing, falling into deep water from the shallows where they were wading.
Officials planned to hold a news conference Tuesday to release more details about the deaths of the six, who drowned Monday in the Red River in a popular recreational area where sand bars gave way to 20-foot depths. A seventh teen, a 14-year-old, was rescued.
"They had one lifejacket here. As you can imagine, everybody started yelling for help. Nobody could swim," said Caddo Parish sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Chadwick.
Shreveport Assistant Fire Chief Fred Sanders said he believed the victims, ages 13 to 18, included three brothers from one family and a sister and two brothers from another.
"They were out here with some adults. But unfortunately, neither the children nor the adults could swim," he said.
Sanders said names may be released Tuesday, after the department is sure relatives have been notified.
The teens had started playing in a familiar area but ended up at a spot in the river where the bottom fell suddenly and that's where divers found the bodies, Sanders said.
Marilyn Robinson, a friend of the families, told The Times of Shreveport she watched helplessly as the victims went under. She said a large group of family and friends, including roughly 20 children, were out at the sandbar to barbecue and have a good time. They frequent the area and were familiar with the water, Robinson said.
"None of us could swim," she said. "They were yelling 'help me, help me. Somebody please help me.' It was nothing I could do but watch them drown one by one."
Sanders said he did not know whether one teen fell and pulled down others, or if they were trying to rescue each other.
It took more than three hours to find all the bodies, he said.
"It's devastating," Sanders said. "To my knowledge the city has never experienced an incident of this magnitude."
Rescue crews were delayed a bit because the accident was reported as near the Jimmie Davis Bridge but was nearly a mile away, Sanders said.
The families were in a recreational area of the Red River that has sand bars, Sanders said. The park is a popular picnic and fishing area and some people do go wading.

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I feel sorry for the Kids, they are innocent, the adults should be drowned as a punishment, as they should have known better.

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Oh I agree...its a tragedy for the children, but all 6 were teenagers....you would think that a teenager would have enough sense to not wade in past your knees if you know you can't swim.
Very sad.
The parents on the other hand....none of the adults knew how to swim, only had ONE life jacket, and just stood there watching? No one looked for a rope or frantically tied tshirts together or got a long branch and waded in themselves? Nothing?? Nevermind that they shouldn't have let the kids in past their knees in the first place.
They should all be arrested and charged with child endangerment and anything else in the book they can throw at them.
Makes me so mad!

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Not so sure about the teenagers, nothing that I remember from being a teenager or have seen since makes me think, that they can think at all.

As for the parents yes this is a evolutionary measure.

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LadyKate wrote:
you would think that a teenager would have enough sense to not wade in past your knees if you know you can't swim.

The Red River isn't exactly clear, and if I read some of the other articles correctly, it wasn't that they waded out too deep, but that there was an unknown, sudden drop off (one site called it a 20' deep chasm near the shore) that they fell into. It wouldn't surprise me if one or two fell in, and the others, not realizing depth change, ran over to help. Then the currents that created the problem got a hold and I doubt there was much that could have been done at that point.

It is very sad, and while completely preventable, I feel bad for the parents that basically where helpless while they watched their children die.


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That's quite a long link you have there.

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Yeah, sorry about that. I just copied and pasted the link. Didn't think it would be so long.

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Four men died after horsing around in a boat on a southern Idaho reservoir, authorities said late Monday.

The bodies of four men were found Monday evening in the American Falls Reservoir in the same area where the men had fallen into the water a day earlier, said Cpl. Leilani Morgan of the the Power County Sheriff's Department.

The search began Sunday for the four boaters after authorities received a 911 call from a child on their boat, said Power County, Idaho, Sheriff Jim Jeffries. The four men were "horsing around," he said. One man was standing up in the front of the boat and another man pushed him into the water as a joke, not realizing he could not swim, he said.

"There were enough vests for all four adult men to have them on. However, they did not have them on," Morgan said.

The victims have been identified as 57-year-old Darrel Shappart, 26-year-old Jared Hale, his 30-year-old brother Aaron Hale and 30-year-old Stephan Verbeck, Morgan said. The men were boating on the waterway Sunday along with five children under the age of nine.

The frantic 911 call triggered a search where rescuers used boats with side-scanning sonar to locate the men in the reservoir, which is about 180 miles east-southeast of Boise.

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Seriously??? Wow. 4 adult males, plenty of lifejackets...and they drowned....Darwins Awarded.

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Why are you on a boat if you can't swim?

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Hopwin wrote:
Why are you on a boat if you can't swim?



Because you are really, really stupid. That said, even as a remarkably strong swimmer, and a frequent boater, I wear my life vest every time I'm out. The lack of a vest was even dumber than the inability to swim.

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I can overlook being on a boat and not knowing how to swim if you wear your **** life vest. Not being able to swim means you get to use an actual vest or jacket, and can't rely on a boat cushion.

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From what I understand, a few people were pulled by the current, and others went to their rescue, and were also killed.

I don't know that I would be quite so...harsh about the response. What the rescuers did was pretty brave, despite the tragic outcome.

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Monte wrote:
I don't know that I would be quite so...harsh about the response. What the rescuers did was pretty brave, despite the tragic outcome.


The very first rule of boating is a life vest for everyone and you WEAR IT BEFORE THE BOAT HITS THE WATER, whether you are an expert swimmer or not...accidents happen and a good boater knows that if he slips, hits too strong a wake, and falls and hits his head, that vest could save his life. Even olympic swimmers can't swim while unconscious!

Retarded to not have a vest on. And in many places, its as illegal as not wearing a seatbelt while driving a car.

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I'm not saying they should not have been more safe. I am saying that we are speaking ill of the dead, most (all?) of whom were children, and some of whom bravely put their life on the line for others.

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Monte, did you even read the article? The youngest person that died was 36 years old...

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The victims have been identified as 57-year-old Darrel Shappart, 26-year-old Jared Hale, his 30-year-old brother Aaron Hale and 30-year-old Stephan Verbeck, Morgan said. The men were boating on the waterway Sunday along with five children under the age of nine.



The children survived...


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That's not the article I was talking about. /points at Shreveport tragedy.

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There's absolutely no need for a life vest in calm/flat water if you are a decent swimmer.

If you're a weak swimmer, or conditions are rough, then put on a vest.


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Rushing into an emergency situation you are not prepared to handle is not bravery. It's stupidity. All you do is become a victim yourself and raise the burden when competant and properly equipped people do arrive.

As for the 4 guys on the boat, I'm almost certain booze was a factor.

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Diamondeye wrote:
Rushing into an emergency situation you are not prepared to handle is not bravery. It's stupidity. All you do is become a victim yourself and raise the burden when competant and properly equipped people do arrive.


While I generally agree that there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, that doesn't necessarily make a brave act that ends badly a mistake. It's plenty stupid to go into battle, no matter your training or equipment. It's irrational as hell to put your life at risk for others, no matter the circumstances. And yet, we hold people who make that choice up as heroes (and rightly so, in my opinion).

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I feel so bad for those children left stranded on the boat, especially since it highly likely at least one of those men were the father of the children.


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In fact, my anger in this situation is mostly directed at the adults who refused to help (and who were not more careful with the kids). I suppose they might have been killed as well, but they were probably stronger than the kids that went off to save the others.

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Monte wrote:
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Rushing into an emergency situation you are not prepared to handle is not bravery. It's stupidity. All you do is become a victim yourself and raise the burden when competant and properly equipped people do arrive.


While I generally agree that there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, that doesn't necessarily make a brave act that ends badly a mistake. It's plenty stupid to go into battle, no matter your training or equipment. It's irrational as hell to put your life at risk for others, no matter the circumstances. And yet, we hold people who make that choice up as heroes (and rightly so, in my opinion).

If you can't swim you can't save anyone. Borrowing your example above it is essentially the same as the children's crusades. All you are doing is adding to the body count.

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Not going to argue with that. Still, even if I couldn't swim, I would be hard pressed not to risk my life to save my kids.

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Monte wrote:
Not going to argue with that. Still, even if I couldn't swim, I would be hard pressed not to risk my life to save my kids.

I would think, most people would follow that line of reasoning, if they were the only source of immediate help. However, if others were there, capable of actually performing the task, trying to do so yourself actually endangers your children.


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