The Glade 4.0

Those studies definitely don't mesh with my own experience, but it's interesting to note anyway.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Personal experience means nothing when there are cold hard facts to support one claim over another.

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Los Angeles Kings 2014 Stanley Cup Champions

"I love this **** team right here."
-Jonathan Quick

To most people, that's true, Raltar. Myself, I've always come to the conclusion that, when facts don't match my limited experience of things, I'd made the wrong assumption.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Raltar and Vindi:

Well, at least he's consistent.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

I 100% agree.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Interestingly the historical meaning of chivalry only had to do with women of ones own class or above. It's easy to be polite to your lord's lady when no one cares if you rape the peasant girls. Makes me very glad that the SCA doesn't requite absolute authenticity!

The SCA is "The middle ages as it should have been."

Have you started playing in the SCA?

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Haven't in 15 years.

Oh, right. Forgot that you had once played and then dropped out.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Yeah, it's complicated. For example, I would rather break my arm than have a food-poisoning type stomach ache. That said, in between trips to the toilet, I may be laying on the couch whining, but I could definately get up and get something done (i.e. tough it out) if need be.

That said, I helped my brother move with a broken hand. There's definately different levels of tolerance for different types of pain.

I hold the door for everybody, women and men, if I am in front of them when I am entering a building and they are a few steps away. I don't go out of my way to lay my coat down in a puddle, as it seems antiquated (and more intelligent to walk around the puddle?). I open the door for my wife when we're leaving somewhere, but I don't open the car door for her unless the situation dictates it.

Adaptable chivalry?

I do the same thing. 'Specially if they are older people and moving slow.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

When I was younger, I was all about chivalry and stuff. Now, I just try to be a nice guy.

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It's already been beaten to death, but yeah -- actual controlled experiments have pretty consistently born out the conclusion that men, on average, have both higher pain tolerance and higher pain threshold than women (again, on average). Notable exceptions to this are women in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy. Also, interestingly enough, dancers of either gender have higher pain tolerance and thresholds than drat near everyone. Do not taunt happy fun ballerina. She feels neither pain nor remorse.

IIRC, I read about this in The Noonday Demon, on the section about how our understanding of pain as a physical phenomenon has oscillated over the years. It was either that or Complications: A Surgeon's Notes on an Imperfect Science. I wish I could remember for sure :/

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

I don't try to be any certain way socially. I can't handle anything that feels like work, such as acting. It's too much effort and I'd rather sit at home by myself. However this usually results in me being pretty nice and polite. I hold doors if it's not awkward. Lately I've become even more nice and modest. It's kind of weird.

It's not selective memory on my part, I happen to be dealing with it tonight lol...and unfortunately I don't have the big strapping healthy men complaining..it's the 60+ group I deal with mostly, who are, in my experience, extremely whiny.

/shrug maybe the old men in Michigan are just more whiny than in other states.

Supports my bid to get outta here

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Dream as if you'll live forever...
...Live as if you'll die tomorrow

Vivere Senza Rimpianti

I suspect (though I admit that I have absolutely no evidence except my own experience) that the more often a person experiences pain the more acclimated they become to it and the more easily they tolerate it. I also suspect that people who have experienced extreme pain aren't bothered so much by minor pain. I remember dancing... I remember girls lining their slippers with saran wrap so the blood wouldn't stain the silk. I also remember dancers wrapping broken toes and dancing on them. Not many things are uglier or more abused than a ballerina's feet.

Anecdotally, my wife was a ballet (now belly/flamenco) dancer and she has the worst pain tolerance/threshold I've ever seen

I support this bid as well.

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Holy shitsnacks!

That seems to be the implication. People can become acclimated pain, at least under some circumstances. But it's a curious phenomenon -- in other cases, especially with chronic back pain, the tendency seems to be reversed (i.e. it gets worse over time, for no easily explainable reason).

I'm curious if pain tolerance can be localized or specialized, as well. For instance, I have no idea whether my mother has greater pain tolerance/threshold than I do in general, but when it comes to handling heat, she certainly does. She attributes this to years of cooking and handling hot pans, etc. I can't say whether she's right about the reasons or not, but she can absolutely grab hold of things that other people would jerk their hand away from after just a second or two.

Does that square with your experiences, Taamar?

Incidentally, if you want to compare your pain tolerance and threshold to someone else, a common measurement is the cold pressor test.

For a valid comparison, what you want to do is have both participants immerse their hands in warm water of a known temperature (say, 100F) for several minutes to equalize any differences in their hand temperature. Each participant should then immerse their hand into an ice water bath. Record the time at which they first start to feel pain sensation. This indicates their pain threshold. They should then keep their hand submerged for as long as they possibly can. This time, minus the pain threshold time, indicates their pain tolerance.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

The time also depends on the necessity of keeping the hand submerged. So it's not so simple.

True, but if you're administering the test under the same conditions for all participants, the results should be a reasonably fair comparison, at least over repeated trials. No one is claiming that giving some participants a free hand while giving others the gom jabbar is going to yield valid results.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Stathol gets +1 geek.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Chivalry is a pretty complex subject. Could you be a bit more specific about what you're looking for?

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Holy shitsnacks!