The Glade 4.0

Something I've noticed on the Glade especially, and in my personal life, is the charisma of openly judgmental people. They just seem to *know* that they're right and speak with total conviction about their opinions of you. You get drawn into their semi-logical thought process and start to dwell on the person and maybe even start to agree, or at least consider their ideas... you get sucked into their reality. Your ego becomes dependent on theirs. It's a form of mind control. I think being judgmental and having this type of conviction is a great way to be. I think being open-minded can be a weakness because it is both absorbing the strong views of other people, and not expressing your own strong views. Being open-minded usually means you lack conviction. I think intelligent people tend to be more shy because they logically know that nothing interpersonal is true. It is always one person, or society, imposing values to another person. Intelligent people tend to lack conviction because they know there is *never* a logical reason for social conviction. They might have a sense of conviction about the sciences or history, but rarely interpersonal interactions.

When I make an *** out of myself on the Glade, people are very fast to jump at me. When they don't get the effect they desired... which would be me getting really bothered... it thoroughly disturbs their prediction of future events. It leads to me becoming an outcast because they sense I'm not socially trying to fit in. It's really fascinating. Sometimes I wonder if I should adopt the strategy of openly judging others. Usually I just do it with compliments, but even negatively doing so might be constructive.

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"The map is not the territory."

Just don't mistake apathy for a lack of conviction.

Anyway, it's not a negative trait to lack conviction on something you don't know anything about, or haven't ever bothered to think about. There are no original ideas, all human thought is simply a reiteration of what's gone before. Everyone got their positions or ideas from someone.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Just don't feed the troll.

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The Dude abides.

It's actually a fairly thoughtful post. It's charisma that influences the positions of others, more so than facts. One can argue logic until you're blue in the face, all you'll do in general is convince yourself everyone else is an idiot (if you're right, anyway). But one charismatic idiot can make hundreds believe in some weird enough **** that they'll drink antifreeze to prepare for the alien invasion...

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Apathy is there when you don't care about getting something done. When you do want something done, want to express something, or want someone to feel a certain way, it's most effective to have a genuine sense of conviction.

It goes back to touching too (with animals and children especially, and I mean in the parental sense)... if you believe you are entitled to, then generally they will accept it.

There are original ideas but they come very slowly. Extremely slowly. The bow and arrow took a very long time to invent.

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"The map is not the territory."

Or at least be able to fake a genuine sense of conviction. Charisma is the tool, not the conviction. Actual conviction just occasionally helps you decide what it is you want to express.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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The best charisma is when you have a genuine sense of conviction... you literally know that you're right, and are even willing to back down occasionally because you don't need to prove it. However I agree that sometimes you need to fake it. I think the only people with 100% honest social conviction (not conviction about mathematical equations) are mentally insane. Cult leader types.

It's interesting because you need to be slightly fake to not be insane, if you want to express social values and are intelligent. To be totally genuine and intelligent, you have to be insane. You can be 100% genuine if you're a crack head drug dealer with a low IQ, and know you're right just because you can't understand any other way.

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"The map is not the territory."

Na, i've met lots of people with enough conviction about nonsense to be considered mentally disabled, but they certainly don't make friends or attract followers or convince people. Charisma and conviction are independant of each other.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I think charisma is when you have a mixture of unsubstantiated conviction, real conviction based on experience, and intelligence. I think the more you practice charismatic behavior (where you want people to follow you), the more you can have unsubstantiated conviction and get away with it. You also start to believe you are entitled to have unsubstantiated beliefs. But that also makes you more full of ****... even though you might get more things done and slightly believe yourself... it's a fine balance. Older people tend to be more charismatic (when they don't have alzheimers) because they have more real conviction from experience.

I think Montegue is great at having unsubstantiated conviction, for example, although maybe it's rude to name him. He's probably a highly charismatic performer.

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The funniest thing about unsubstantiated conviction... it works best in real life!! Not online!! Montegue can probably convince people of anything in person. The Internet is a different story. Montegue used to brag about sleeping with girls. I bet he is spectacular at convincing girls to spend time with him. Why? Because he believes it. Why does Montegue know he is correct about politics? He believes it. These beliefs don't transfer well through written word. Writing usually requires evidence. Nerdy people love to spend time on the Internet because they don't need true charisma to convince others of their opinions. They only need facts and coherent thought.

Charisma on the Internet is expressing your thoughts coherently and intelligently, and being considerate about feedback. It's about being polite to others and respectfully countering other point of views.

Charisma in person is just knowing you're right, and having lots of real life experience telling people what you believe is right and trying to sway others. A musician needs to sway others to his belief that his music is good. A womanizer needs to sway women to his belief that he is good with women. This belief is most effective from actual experience swaying women. A good commander needs to believe that his soldiers should be running into battle. He needs to believe it is right. This makes the soldiers most effective in combat, because he has experience transferring this belief to them, and they will fight better.

What is considered "trolling" on the Internet might be considered a powerful thought in person solely because of the charismatic conviction in which it is expressed.

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"The map is not the territory."

What is and is not substantiated is often simply a matter of opinion, or willful ignorance. Global warming is a great example, here. I would venture to guess the majority of the conservatives on the board simply refuse to accept it's reality, and yet every major scientific organization on the planet says it's here and it's our fault, and that it's getting worse.

People will believe any lie because they want to believe it or are afraid that it's true. If John Stossel comes on the tee vee with a few hand picked scientists and says Global Warming is just hype, the people that want to believe it will do so. If he's charismatic about it, even more will buy into what he's saying.

It was the same way with the lead up to the Iraq war. There were a number of voices that said, point blank, that the WMD claims were false. And they were right. However, they were shouted down as traitors and idiots and madmen. In the end, they were vindicated, but at a terrible cost.

People are not stupid, though, contrary to popular belief. We are susceptible to our own preconceived biases, but we are not, as a species, necessarily stupid. Many of us are ignorant, and often that ignorance is entirely willful.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Revisionist history.

You have been judged, and found, . . . wanting.

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"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

You keep saying this, but its just not true. AT BEST, there's evidence that warming may be occurring. We really have no real idea *why*. There is no 100% consensus among "major scientific organizations".

There may be 100% consensus among major scientific organizations that believe in HIGCC... but not every major scientific organization believes in HIGCC.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Aegnor - Really? I don't think so. Many voices said the WMD claims were false or grossly overstated, and they were shouted down as traitors. Perhaps the history you believe is the one that's revised.

Mus, no international body of national or international standing currently disputes the basic findings of the IPCC report. Not one. The last hold out was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, and they revised their position in 2007. You are plainly, and simply wrong. So is John Stossle, so is the CATO institute and the Heritage foundation, so is Khross, so is Talya, and so is everyone else that thinks the consensus on global warming is in error.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

No, there were no such voices. Claiming "well, we agree he has them but we don' think it's important" which is what pretty much everyone, including you, opposed to the Iraq war claimed beforehand. We've seen the quotes, and all you could do was claim "out of context!" without being able to provide context that changed anything, at a time the original Glade was available, so this claim is sheer nonsense.



Nope, sorry. Dismissing the groups opposed to findings based on data that hasn't been properly released as "industry" doesn't make them not exist.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You know, i'm sick of this. This is arrogant, rude and downright dishonest. Yes, you are lying. No, I'm not calling you a liar. I am saying this post is dishonest and you know it, therefore you are lying. The contents of your posts on this subject are absolute, 100% bullshit, without substance or accuracy of any kind, and you gleefully wallow in the bovine feces you are slinging around. You insult everyone who disagrees with you, you ignore fact, logic, and everything else on the matter, inventing your imaginary facts and consensus. I'm sick of it. You could actually debate with some intellectual integrity, rather than sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "nyah nyah nyah" like a child. But you won't. So I'm calling you out on it. You can cry personal attack all you want, but you know what? You'd be lying with that, too. Because I am attacking, your passive-aggressive, self-righteous attacks on everyone on this message board with this kind of tripe, and not a single fact buried inside any of it, but i'm not attacking you. I'm calling out your method of avoiding a discussion and insulting everyone who disagrees with you on it. It's wrong, and I won't stand for it anymore.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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He isn't aware that he is lying, his ego cannot be damaged and therefore he is able to do these mental gymnastics which allows him to convince himself that what he wants to be true, is.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

That is because he believes his current personality to be a construct. Constructed to counter what he views as the true him of his youth and this construct must be preserved or he would no longer be "good" but "evil" like his youth. The ego cannot survive thinking of its being as evil and so we get a persona who will reject EVERYTHING that doesn't fit into the constructed paradigm.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones