The Glade 4.0

There are social archetypes that allow folks to have reference for their discussions. The StarTrek episode "Darmok" is an illustration of just this thing.

Monte and Berry provide a sort of social reference. There are others... Animal Charms, SunMoon, Mippo, etc.

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In time, this too shall pass.

No, but I was playing like I did.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Oooo sooooo trixie! Tricksy camels... we hateses themses.

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To those who understand the posters involved, perhaps. To outsiders, with no point of reference, it doesn't help at all. So, basically, you end up talking among yourselves with little regard for whether an outsider understands what you are doing or saying. I suspect the posters here are so used to this insular world that you don't realize the difficulties you place on someone new here. To me, it looks like TheRiov is right in many respects, and he may not be.

To clarify for you: Monty's hostile response to your question the first time you addressed him is emblematic of his entire time here.

Beryllin was an extreme fundamentalist who lectured everyone else constantly on the punishment that surely awaited them for not adhereing to his theological positions, and went into complete hystrionics at the mere suggestion that his interpretation of Scripture might not be entirely correct.

It's unfortunate, but there are 3 board crashes worth of lost history that would explain much better.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Which was why I invoked that particular episode of a fictional world - it had an excellent way of gaining understanding of these things.

There are many things that, on the surface, are misconstrued. TheRiov isn't someone I am familiar with, or at least I'm not familiar with his moniker. It would be easy to imagine new members being similarly confused.

I'd suggest you view certain aspects of the social structure here using theories of antipositivism when making your considerations. I think you may get closer to the reality of the situation than not.

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In time, this too shall pass.

And this would be the generally held opinion of most of the posters on this board, regarding those two?

Very generally yes, and by "this board" I mean those that really participate in Hellfire, not the board at large. Monty was (usually) a problem only in Hellfire. This incident that got him banned was unusual in that it was related to a non-Hellfire thread that was moved here and he then proceeded to hijak that into his vendetta against DFK! and from there to the mods, current and former, in general.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I think that's probably an unfair characterization DE. Beryllin was a self-avowed fundamentalist born-again, Protestant Christian with very deeply held beliefs about morality, Christianity, homosexuality, separation of church and state.... you name it-- unfortunately. He did tend to fall back on the rather circular argument of "Because the Bible says so" and he certainly made no secret of his contempt for the lifestyle choices of several members of the Glade.

This attitude didn't endear him to the board either.

Granted I'm not a mod, but didn't Bery actually ASK to receive a lifetime ban?

Interesting. It seems to me that both guys are recipients of a certain amount of personal animosity, even after no longer being part of this board. It's possible, maybe even likely, that they earned it, but it does not reflect well on the character of people who won't let it go now that they are no longer here. Just my 2 cents worth.

I just think this is a funny phrase.

True enough. Edited to "possible", rather than "probable".

You seem to be a wise level headed man farther, I am glad you found us. This is a decent community for the most part. Don't let the way this thing is going down scare you off.

I think the problem with both men had more to do with their poor approach to debate than their convictions.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

This used to be a pretty good community. Hopefully once we all get over ourselves, it will be again one day.

Right, because after 10 years of animosity from Monte (and less, but still a significant amount) coupled with Bery throwing a hissy fit and then asking to be banned, we should just completely drop all of our past feelings about them? People usually only bring up Bery in reference to something, and I doubt we will ever stop that. Animosity takes a long time to die, especially when there's no outlet.

As for Monte? He was banned just a few days ago, after slinging mud at every single member of the boards, and calling all of our actions from the beginning into question. I think it's natural to expect people to take a little while to cool down, especially in the designated thread for discussing his ban.

I have to say you might just not understand having only been here a very short time. But honestly, is it necessary to come in at the end of a long argument, the vast majority of which you have no knowledge of, and call peoples character into question?

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Montegue permanently labelled me a racist for lumping Islam in with my dislike for religion in general. Evidently it was okay to be suspicious of Christendom, but when my dislike of superstition included Islam, I was a white-robe wearing southern redneck.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I'll also mention in here that other new folks usually try to ask those questions that will give them perspective. I know that since this post you've had several people explain the archetypal past posters on this board.

To me, the onus of becoming acquainted with a new "world", or forum group, lies with the new member coming in. I doubt anyone would shy from answering any questions you might have, but to assume that our references and posts should not contain material that an outsider wouldn't know or understand does not seem logical to me.

When you're in new territory, asking questions to make sure you have the context right before you make rather pointed accusations seems to be wise, in my opinion.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Necessary? Of course not. Maybe I misunderstand the point of this board, but I thought it was a place to express opinions. If I am wrong in that understanding, then I apologize.

I think it also had something to do with your failure to loudly lambaste Israel. I seem to recall that sparking the "capulet" incident; some sort of thing where you made some satirical trial thing after he climbed up your *** for failing to blame Israel for something or other.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You are certainly free to express your opinions.

I am just of the opinion that to form a wise opinion, you first educate yourself about that which you are forming an opinion.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Bah. That's just your opinion.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Yeah, probably.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I will add that if you think the only point of this board is to express opinions, you are missing the majority of what it has to offer, and focusing on a very narrow subset of options, however. This board represents a community of people, from providing advice about more mundane matters (tech, gaming) to support or shared enjoyment through hard and exciting times, to a fun way to pass the time joking and chatting with friends. A very small, although exceptionally volatile part of this board comes from expressing opinions, although if that's the only part you care to take advantage of, that is your prerogative.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

That better, grouchy-pants?

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

The reason you think it's unfair is that you weren't the one who was telling him the Bible didn't say so, and explaining in no uncertain terms how you knew it didn't say so. It wasn't just his religious attitudes, it was his attempt to establish hegemony over all the other Christians and not-so-subtly warn them that (according to him) if they didn't change their views to match his we were going to be punished... and in doing so invariably cited one particular verse that could just as easily be applied to him.

In fact, he and Monty created this odd synergy where he'd state his outrageous views, then Monte would pick up on them and insist on arguing against them, liberally mixed in with the most sordid moments of Roman Catholic history when arguing against, or about, any Christian whether a board member or elsewhere. Bery did an incredible job of setting up a strawman for Monte to attack.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."