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Rodahn
 Post subject: XB Live Price Increase
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:13 pm 
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Xbox Live Pricing Increase

1 month = $10.00

3 month = $25.00

12 month = $60.00

Nov 1st


Not a huge deal I suppose if you go with the yearly, but still . . . booo for pricing increases.
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Ten more dollars a year? $0.84 more a month?

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Besides, there are deals on slickdeals/amazon *all the time* for discounted XBL cards.
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Yeah my thoughts, too. I guess I just hate seeing the actual increase of already high prices. The way it goes, I guess . . .
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$5/month is a "high price?" Hell, I wish most of my bills were that low.

It's still better than Sony's useless Playstation Plus service. I pay for that only because Hulu Plus isn't available on the 360. At least Nintendo still has the decency to not charge anything for offering nothing.
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Yeah, I'm not sold on PSN Plus myself. They need to offer a lot more than they currently do before I plunk down the cash.

Their free service is just fine.
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FarSky wrote:
At least Nintendo still has the decency to not charge anything for offering nothing.

ALOL!

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FarSky wrote:
$5/month is a "high price?" Hell, I wish most of my bills were that low.

It's still better than Sony's useless Playstation Plus service. I pay for that only because Hulu Plus isn't available on the 360. At least Nintendo still has the decency to not charge anything for offering nothing.


Looks like Hulu plus will be hitting the 360 in 2011 (one of their justifications for the price hike).

This is from their promo e-mail they sent me to tell me they'd be charging me more moneys.

Over the past seven years, Xbox LIVE has evolved from an online gaming platform to an all-in-one gaming and entertainment service. As an Xbox LIVE Gold member, you can not only play blockbuster games, such as Halo: Reach with your friends online, you can also stream movies from Netflix* and music from Last.fm right to your TV. You can even connect with friends near and far on Facebook® and Twitter™. Plus, you also enjoy exclusive discounts and early access to game demos.

And we aren't even close to being done. This holiday, Xbox LIVE is adding new Gold features, including ESPN and Video Kinect, with Hulu Plus coming on Xbox LIVE in 2011.

• With ESPN on Xbox LIVE, you can stream and watch over 3,500 live and on-demand sporting events plus highlights.*

• Video Kinect allows you to chat with family and friends on the big screen, right from the comfort of your living room—no headset or controller required.*

• With Hulu Plus on Xbox LIVE you will be able to enjoy a customized Hulu Plus experience that will include Kinect navigation and Xbox LIVE Parties*

Anyone using last.fm? Is it worth going through the hassle of signing up?
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Good news everyone, Wendy's increased the price of a single w/ cheese combo because next year they are planning on rolling out some sweet new cheeses (pepperjack*, swiss*, monterey*). In order to prepare you for these exciting new cheeses they are bumping the cost of the single from $3.25 to $3.80 effective immediately.

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Hopwin wrote:
Good news everyone, Wendy's increased the price of a single w/ cheese combo because next year they are planning on rolling out some sweet new cheeses (pepperjack*, swiss*, monterey*). In order to prepare you for these exciting new cheeses they are bumping the cost of the single from $3.25 to $3.80 effective immediately.


I'm sensing a global conspiracy of epic proportions!
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PSN is not an acceptable substitute for Xbox Live, though it's often said to be, because in order to appear reasonable it is sometimes necessary to say things which are untrue. The only way to say something like that with a straight face is if you don't have experience with both, or if you don't play a lot of online games with friends. Even ancillary things like how it updates games (or the box itself) aren't up to par. I've had that fantasy before, believe me, the one where I shift my allegiance: Bluetooth headset slung firmly over the ear, I would set out to found a virtuous kingdom. But then I couldn't chat with whoever I wanted, when I wanted to chat with them. I couldn't form a game independent group to plan the evening's adventures, retain communications, or simply to mute every other person on the service. Invites don't manifest themselves in any kind of consistent form. These aren't little things - they're baseline functionality. It would be great if Sony offered a product this absolute, but they have chosen not to do so.
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I never play online with consoles, so I look more for actual d/l content.

Like I said above, unless PSN Plus starts offering way more than they do now, I'll pass and stick with the free service.

PSN Free offers plenty of nice things IMO.
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Rodahn wrote:
PSN Free offers plenty of nice things IMO.

That's because you're a PS3 fanboi.

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It has nothing to do with that. Even if the PS3 is not your preference, all you have to do is log into PSN and see that it offers many good deals and good content.

And no one on this forum should be calling anyone out for being a fanboy without realizing that they are one themselves. Everyone on here is a fanboy of something (lot of 360 fanboys for example). Just because something on here is not popular does not mean its supporters are fanboys (in the negative connotation way).
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It's hard to call anyone a fanboy when they own every system, though. It's foolish to think that any two non-identical systems are going to perform equally in any given category. XBL is better at matchmaking, there's really no debate there. Aside from that, the game update process on PS3 is **** atrocious.
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^^^
Agree on the every system part. And the performance of different consoles.

I own everything but a Wii and a DS, but have owned them in the past. I also realize there are good games on both -- the games just aren't for me. I even own both XBL games and retails discs for the 360. Own several PC games as well.

If preferring one system over another is considered being a fanboy (in the pejorative sense), then that's sad.

That said, I am not going to get into another "what constitutes a fanboy" debate, so I'll end it there.

As for the matchmaking, I can't comment, as I haven't played any online console matches in many moons, and both systems have gone through updates since then.

The updates on PS3 are longer, yes, but I don't know the specifics of what these updates are doing (from a hardware/software perspective).
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Rodahn wrote:
It has nothing to do with that. Even if the PS3 is not your preference, all you have to do is log into PSN and see that it offers many good deals and good content.

Are they good deals when publishers resort to jacking up prices, opting to not pursue free DLC, or making DLC they have committed to offering limited by revoking availability after time passes?

Because that's what "free" PSN forces developers to consider, because Sony makes the developers pay, rather than the user.

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The DLC/Add-Ons seem pretty fairly-priced to me. Small add-ons = cheap, larger add-ons = more expensive.

As for availability, I can't say as I've seen stuff just disappear from PSN, but it would make sense if said content was selling poorly and the space it takes up on the servers could be better used by something more popular.

And, as a point of clarification, when I say free service, I mean free in that you don't have to pay a recurring fee for the service itself. There's plenty of add-on content you have to pay for on XBL in addition to the monthly/yearly/whatever.
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I love this part.
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It isn't really about ten dollars. I have ten dollars; you have seen to it. It's the tug of the reins I don't like, the steel bit in my jowls which denotes mastery. As I've said, I find the service worthwhile at a few bucks a month, and with the cards I grabbed yesterday I'll be paying thirty-eight dollars a year for the foreseeable future. But God damn can I hold a grudge, God damn; and making me resent you is the first step to my courting another.


Personally, I am someone who owns both a PS3 and a 360. I have played games online on both systems. I will agree with Rodahn, if you are a single player person who never plays online or chats, or forms a party, you will most likely enjoy a very similar experience on both consoles.

However, if you would like to go online, ever, the 360 beats the PS3 hands down. Almost every social aspect of the service is superior. It helps that MS built the original Xbox partially as a testing ground for their Live service, and it's essentially had 5 years more refinement than Sony's service, but at this point, who cares. All we care about is the experience RIGHT NOW, and right now Live stomps the competition.
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Rodahn -- Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 had downloadable content that was removed from both PSN and Live! because the developers didn't want to keep paying Sony to make it available. Contractual obligations with Sony to ensure that all DLC available elsewhere was made available on PSN forced them to take it down from Live! at the same time.

Thus, your X-Box needed to go in for repair? Can't re-authorize the content, because it's been removed from Live! And it's the fault of a company you never even necessarily gave your custom.

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Actually, it was more about Activision's license with Marvel expiring, rather than the pennies for bandwidth when the DLC was downloaded.

When they were charging 9.99 for a relatively small download, the 16 cents per gigabyte isn't exactly a money loser.
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10 dollars a year isn't really a big deal, but I wish I could get use of the features being added that have caused this upcoming increase. Specifically the ESPN3 thing - I can't use it because my ISP doesn't support it at all. Infact, most of the ISPs here don't support it in my area despite being on ESPN3's big list.
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I cancelled. Yes really. No I don't want to argue over it ;)

Ps3/wii/360 here
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Coren wrote:
Actually, it was more about Activision's license with Marvel expiring, rather than the pennies for bandwidth when the DLC was downloaded.

When they were charging 9.99 for a relatively small download, the 16 cents per gigabyte isn't exactly a money loser.
Except, Activision pulled a ton of other content from the PSN with it ...

And Activision's license with Marvel didn't expire in any way that prevented them from honoring previous purchases on the XBL Network.

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Seems coincidental that it was the same week the licenses expired that the DLC was pulled then. Marvel's licenses are mixed up and fractured enough to cause all kinds of fun sometimes. (IIRC, it was why Hulk ended up as DLC in the first one instead of with the original game.)

Just seems out of the 2 possibilities (license agreements for a game that sold poorly on one hand, vs a few pennies of bandwidth charge per 10 dollar sale...ie, less cost than if they'd packaged the DLC as a disc)...

It seems a REAL stretch to blame bandwidth costs as the reason it was pulled.
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