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This. Who was it in the PETA thread I made that quoted that wonderful snippet from Pen and Teller? Something like "I would kill every puppy in the world if it meant saving one junkie on the street."

I love my dog, and generally like animals, but come on -- human life > animal life.

Well, to be honest, that's your opinion.
I would disagree. I value my dogs over a lot of people I know.
I would die trying to save my dogs, but wouldn't piss on some people if they were on fire.

This.

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That depends entirely on the human life in question...

They're (presumably) her puppies, so she can do whatever she wants with em (ignoring the question of animal cruelty laws) but someone who enjoys killing baby animals of any kind is someone the human race would probably be better off without.

It's not the killing of animals in and of itself, it's the derivation of pleasure from the act of killing.

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I'd be a lot less upset about the whole thing if the girl was doing this reluctantly(but why the **** would you be filming it then?). Like you said, this is a way people get rid of unwanted animals(though, there are better ways of going about this now). But the fact that by all accounts she enjoyed doing so and the fact that she filmed it and placed it online means that this is a worthless human being that does not deserve to live. Keep in mind I have not watched this and I plan on never watching it because I'm fairly certain I'd go into a rage and end up doing bad things.

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SPCA was founded before beating your spouse was considered anything other than sound marital practice (assuming spouse being beaten was XX).

I believe SPCA also trumped child abuse.

Make of that what you wish.

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Those of you who claim that she is getting pleasure out of killing the puppies, and are getting upset about it....how is it any different than many hunters who kill for sport?

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When you hunt for sport, the game you are after at least has a small bit of hope to get away or has a chance to fight back. These puppies had no chance. They were completely helpless.

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Well, I believe most sports hunters actually "hunt" their prey in the wild. Some tactics are cheap (like stocked hunting grounds, corn feeders, bait). But the animal is almost always wild and grown. Puppies are a young, usually domesticated animal. The fact they were in a bag/box, means they had no way to escape, either.

Personally, I am not in favor of sport hunting either. I find it petty and in some cases revolting (as in baited plots, hunting farms). I rarely ever hunt anything, anymore. But when I did hunt, the animal was used for food, not trophy. And as I said earlier, I don't get pleasure from killing anything. I will however kill for food purposes. It's not something I really enjoy, but it serves a survival purpose.

This child should be taken to therapy imho. She will either be found to be a danger (enjoys killing things) or once she grows up (if she is not warped) she will remember her actions and regret them for a lifetime.

I was reared in a family that had no feelings for animals. Animals were treated as purely objects. I have taken part in what would be considered cruel actions towards animals, as a child. I have never forgotten those actions (even though I was about 8 at the time) and I have regretted them my entire life.......asking God forgiveness many, many time for treating his creatures cruelly.

I'm not in favor of hunting purely for sport either. Most people who hunt make some use of the animal.

It is a bit different regardless because the animal is not totally helpless. More importantly, it's different psychologically. For a hunter, it's about the challange, not taking pleasure in the animal's death per se. Killing a helpless animal like a puppy in a box and getting a kick out of it can be a strong indicator of sociopathology.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

LadyKate, are you saying you think this is ok, or trying to defend her actions ?

I'll bet everything I own that there is a large degree of Devil's advocate in her questioning.

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Yes, thank you Rynar. I'm just questioning. If I thought that what she did was ok, I would have clearly stated so by now and prepared for the fallout.
I also wonder....they said she was from Bosnia...I wonder what sort of intercultural differences we might be overlooking.

For example, those of you who are old enough to remember mom or grandma raising chickens for food and wringing their necks or cutting them off and watching them run around....it wasn't always sad, sometimes it was funny. Sometimes that is the way people deal with things that "just have to be that way."
Like maybe the family had a dog and they couldn't afford to feed any puppies or something and throwing the offspring in the river was just one of those twice a year chores that had to be done.
I watched the video and I wouldn't say that she took great delight in what she was doing but I did hear her 'whoop' once and what may have been a chuckle, but again, I'm pretty sure people outright laughed at the dying chickens behavior sometimes.
I also couldn't quite tell her age...which could make a difference as well...if she was a teenager sent by her parents to dispose of the puppies...that would explain the filming and the seeming-to-us lack of reverence.

I'm just still on the fence about whether or not this should actually be considered a sociopathic action or if there is some bigger picture in the that we're missing. That's all. I could just as easily be wrong in my guessing and she could be a sociopathic murdering beast, but I would have thought that a sociopath would pick something a little more violent than drowning and something a little more drawn out and cruel. Throwing them in a quickly moving current from far off the bank seems a little more purposeful and less like doing something for "fun."

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I cannot find neither time nor emotion to be upset at this.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Sociopathology doesn't necessarily have to be a "murdering beast". It has wide degrees like most conditions.

Derivation of pleasure from killing itself, however, is something that is a danger signal across all cultures, although the wya it woks may be very different. When a person lacks the psychological inhibition against killing higher animals its a good sign that their "safety catch" against killing humans is weaker too.

A culture where that's acceptable is necessarily weaker in terms of survival ability just because it is more likely to kill itself off, or at least kill enough of its own that disaster can befall the rest.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It's not "sociopathy"... for example look at cat burning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-burning

Image of cat burning (safe for work, just a drawing):

From the people who brought you Cat-Burning comes the latest in non-sociopathic entertainment, "The French Revolution!" If you thought burning cats was fun wait til you see 40,000 fellow human beings gruesomely executed in the gloriously entertaining "Reign of Terror!"

Not exactly a ringing endorsement Lex.

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Very funny response Hopwin.

I see PETA has put a bounty on her.

I didn't know that that terrorist organization had jurisdiction overseas.

Sad.

Guess that's what people did before reality tv.

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Holy shitsnacks!

And if the video was of someone who was forced to make the choice between killing a human and killing a dog the I doubt anyone would disagree.

The video was someone killing another creature for fun. I don't see where human life > animal life is relevant. The outrage is at someone who has the foresight to film their sadistic pleasure because they think killing is fun. How anyone approves of that is beyond me.

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My comment was more a declarative statement in response to those who put animal life over human life (not necessarily Gladers).

The video itself of course exhibits disgusting behaviour, that was never in question for me. I just think it's wrong that people are calling for the stringing up of this person (again, not necessarily Gladers) over the death of animals. If this girl was doing that to Human babies, then that's a different story . . .

There's an easy way to settle this discussion.

If you ever wonder who has the more unconditional love for you, put your wife or girlfriend and your dog in the trunk of your car for one hour. When you open it, who is still happy to see you?

That just proves the dog is stupid.

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