The Glade 4.0

I disagree. Arrest rates have to be significantly high enough for criminal behavior in order to make an accurate assessment of deterrence, because an individual must be reasonably certain of arrest for any deterrent effect to exist. Do you believe that such a rate of arrest exists in the US?

I do not.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

One out of every 32 Americans is under Correctional Supervision, and more than one out of every hundered are actually in prison. In addition, it has been estimated that the average American commits no fewer than three federal crimes a day.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

It's been estimated by who and how did he arrive at that estimate?

Simply pointing out the arrest rate, moreover says nothing. Fear of arrest is a deterrent to some people and not to others. You can't say that arrest deters no one because it does not deter everyone.

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Irrelevant.

Arrests/crimes=relevant metric.



Furthermore, I'm well aware of Silverglate's book, and if you choose to cite him, you should do so correctly insofar as he specifies three felonies a day.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

1) I'm not really interested in wasting my time sourcing things for you. You are quite obviously more invested in this farce than me, enjoy it. I used to. I didn't seek to plagiarize,as I noted the source wasn't my own independent work, but I don't specifically remember where, in the volumes of books I read, the specific information came from. This isn't a **** college paper, or body of work I'm trying to publish.

2) I miss-spoke. Felony, not federal crime.

3) These are perfectly valid metrics when discussing the quality of the possibility of arrest as deterrent.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Probably this book:

Three Felonies a Day, by Harvey Silvergate

Or maybe the second essay in this one:

You're (Probably) a Federal Criminal, by Alex Kozinski & Misha Tseytlin

Over-react much?

I'm pointing out that (3) is not correct and that (1) is something important.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I try for 4 a day, but I'm an overachiever. In addition if I don't get my daily dose of federal crime I get cranky.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Saying the average American commits three federal crimes daily doesn't mean that arrest and jail don't serve as deterrents to crime. The average American might commit thirty federal crimes per day if it weren't for the threat of arrest.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

lets be careful with that statistic. if there are 3x the number of felonies committed per day than the population of the US it does NOT imply that the 'average person' commits 3 felonies per day.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I'm fairly sure that's exactly what it means.

I think he means, statistically, there's a difference between the average number of felonies committed in a day per capita (in this case, it seems that number is 3x) and how many felonies the average person commits. If 10% of the people commit 30 felonies a day, but the other 90% commit no felonies per day, the "average person" are those 90%, not the 10%, even if the average number of felonies committed per day per capita is still 3. Mean, Median, Mode and all that...

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I don't think the stat is based on that kind of averaging though. In fact, I'm not sure whether it's an actual stat or just a rhetorical hook. The point, though, is simply that there are so many broad, vague, and little-known laws and regulations that many ordinary people commit felonies without even realizing it.

I have not read the book, so I can't comment, but I find it unlikely-- sounds a little sensationalist.

Well, RD's the lawyer, ask him.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Like most other things, people are free to comment on things they know nothing about, but it is revealing that a person will make comment on things they are ignorant of and still expect to be taken seriously.


RD already made comment regarding the reasoning of the book:

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Although I hate to **** up a good Glade argument...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

Pick which definition of "average" you want to use before you argue any further.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Yes, he stated the reasoning of the book. I suggested asking him if he thought it was sensationalistic. I certainly don't know.


I already said that.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

The way I read his comment, Taly, leads me to believe he agrees "that there are so many broad, vague, and little-known laws and regulations that many ordinary people commit felonies without even realizing it." Of course, I could be wrong but that's been my experience. I would think RD's would be similar if he's spent any time in criminal proceedings, as he often looks at things deeply enough that he has an idea where the rabbit hole leads.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Of course, if the law were more succinct, a lot of RangerDaves would be looking for new professions...Not that the world would cry at the loss of so much lawyering.

Edit: Hmm. And very many legislators have a legal background. I sense a conflict of interest...

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

Ahhh, and Taly sees past the opening of the rabbit hole...

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Let's put it this way, I am relatively sure in the last week you have probably violated likely inadvertently committed some type of conspiracy, wire fraud, and a department of agriculture violation or two. This does not include any averaging of your likely tax frauds each year for the past X years you've been filing them, and associated mail and wire fraud charges.

Etc. etc. ad nausea.

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DFK, I am legitimately interested in knowing what charges those are.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

As he said: conspiracy, wire fraud, mail fraud...

The point is that these laws are so broad and all-encompassing, that if somebody wants to nail you for them, you've inadvertently participated in breaking them.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades