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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:13 am 
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Jasmy wrote:
How in the hell do you misshift?? It's second nature when you drive a manual!


Inexperience. My daughter still does it once in a while in high-stress situations.

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 Post subject: Re: Stick or Automatic?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:32 am 
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I do it in my 911 after driving my F250 for long periods of time, but that's mostly a difference in throw distance.

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Yeah. My father in law has a old 150 that I just about have to dislocate my shoulder to reach 3rd from 2nd. It takes some getting used to with such extremes.


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darksiege wrote:
I am driving a manual for the first time in... 8 to 11 years I think. The ONLY trouble I am having right now... I need to learn this new car and where to sit my RPM's at when I go from stop to 1st gear.

I am trying to use both the odometer for the time being because I do not know the feel of the engine yet.


Tachometer.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:23 pm 
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Auto.

I've had plenty of sticks, but after banging up my knee(s) it just hurts too much to worry with now. Especially a trip into town, where stop and go is heavy.

The convenience outweighs anything else for my older self.


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Talya wrote:
One has far more control over the vehicle with a manual transmission than they do with an automatic.

While that may be the impression you get, you have the same amount of control in either case, that is, 100%... a vehicle being an inanimate object and all, quite incapable of doing anything but sit there without a person controlling it :P

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DSG

Srsly.

think the ford version is called Powershift - dont know if it's any good, but DSG is marvelous.


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DSG transmissions are more complex than normal gearboxes and hence, heavier, more expensive and more prone to failure. Ferrari's quickshift Generation II is faster, anyway. Normal single train gearboxes will soon reach this point in consumer level vehicles.

As far as clutch modulation, some cars have great clutches, some don't. If you've ever driven a second generation Viper GTS Coupe (the old 8.0L), you probably have monstrous left quads because the clutch pedal in that sucker is like a freaking leg press machine. The clutch bearing forces required to retain engagement in high torque bearing drivetrains simply requires very very stiff springs.

The GD generation WRX STi's have monstrous clutches too, and very mechanically engaging shifters. You can easily miss shifts, especially when the gearbox is cold. Aluminum shift knobs do not help. Luckily the dogclutches have triple cone synchronization in forward gears 2 and 3, and doubles in all the rest.

While one does have more control, if you are talking about a high displacement engine, one must be careful performing downshifts and use the brakes to settle the car. If not (since no car to my knowledge come factory with a back-torque limiter nor are they available as aftermarket parts), you can very easily lock up the wheels and lose control in low traction conditions. Large displacement engines create enormous throttle braking when running engaged and closed throttle at high engine speeds. Low traction situations also don't necessarily mean rain, ice or snow - cornering or moving through undulating and vertical transitions along your path can greatly reduce grip.

This requires heel-toe downshifting, a skill a doubt very few people (in general, not just here) possess because of the difficult involved in coordinated the right foot to blip the throttle and smoothly brake the car as you approach your corner. I cannot do it very smoothly, but it's a bit easier on say, a bike.

Here's a video of skill that I could only hope to learn one day:
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Driving with an automatic is driving with lag.

I have an automatic, but it is a Toyota Corolla, a daily commute and to the shopping mall kind of car. I don't do the long weekend drives anymore, the ones where I truly prefer stick. On road trips, especially through the mountains, driving with an automatic is painfully frustrating.

I'll get a sporty stick car sometime in the future, right now I don't need the temptation.

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