The Glade 4.0

Would it be possible to codify posting guidelines and appoint moderators? The need, I think, arises.

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Rule #1

Don't be a Douche.

Mods?
We've never had mods before... why start now?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Because rule #1 is subjective.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

We have at times in the past had mods, or at least pretended to have them. The reason to start now is that you can't stop monkeys from flinging poo.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

And has by any reasonable measure already fallen by the wayside.

Don't get me wrong, for the most part and in most sections, everyone is content to live and let live. There is, however, a forum where even lax standards are seen only in the rearview mirror. It need not be that way.

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I'd actually prefer that we keep the rules somewhat vague. Clearly delineated rules just give people an incentive to act as badly as they can while technically staying just barely on this side of the rules. When the rules are simply 1) "don't be an ***", and 2) "mod decisions are final, so don't bother ***** about them", people are much less inclined to push boundaries and argue over what constitutes personal attacks, etc., etc.

It's been my observation that forums that operate this way actually wind up requiring a lot less moderation than those with detailed and explicit rules.

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

Except that you're a conservative pissbucket that voted for Bush, so clearly you are out to oppress black people. Therefore, your preferences are meaningless.

As you can see, there is a slight flaw in your otherwise noble goal.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I think we need a rule... if you are going to stalk someone thread to thread giving them poo... we need to have one of our resident IT gods send a packet Bomb to the offenders IP.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

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Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!
Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

That is awesome.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

We do!

The trouble with rules is that when you set them, folks worm around them, and then it's a popularity contest when it comes to accountability. No mod has ever been able to be entirely impartial or fair, nor could they be expected to.

There are posting guidelines we all agree to when we register. Outside of that, I don't see a need for additional rules.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Let's just cut through the BS. We just need Monty not to post in Hellfire and all will be well.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

This. In the end I really only used my mod hat to fix things like double posting because I got sick of the drama. I don't mind doing that again, though...

We tried that. We decided to let him through on a provisional basis and if he caused drama to revoke Hellfire permissions. Then we decided not to follow up and just let him keep flinging poo all over the place.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

No single moderator. A handful who are willing to take on the tireless, thankless job of enforcing at least cooldown periods would work wonders.



No. In for a penny, in for a pound. There should be no neglect due to distaste for being questioned or disliked.

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I don't see a need for a mod. Topics that blow up just squeeze people out until no one wants to read them anymore, but really, what damage is done except to the ego?

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

This.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

Disruptive people are only disruptive because people respond to them. If no one responds to those people, eventually they'll get the picture and stop posting. Or not. Some people are just dicks.

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Los Angeles Kings 2014 Stanley Cup Champions

"I love this **** team right here."
-Jonathan Quick

The problem with this being that one of the greatest offenders will come into other threads and attack people, even if people try NOT to respond directly to that individual.

Right at the end of 3.0 "people being wrong" seemed to take a lot more of a civil tone.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

The ability to have a civil discourse is damaged.

I've volunteered privately and publicly before. Consider this me doing so again.



I concur.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I dunno, I wouldn't say I'm the ability to have civil discourse.

Pah rum pum!

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I think the problem becomes since we've all been peers for so long I don't know if there is anyone that a reasonable amount of people would trust to do an unbiased or reasonable job of content moderation.

For the most part our problems extended to one forum. Maybe we just need to realize If you walk in the fire someone's going to burn you every now and then.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I'd trust Michael to do it.

What I trust is the ability of a consensus to overrule biased moderation.

This is why you create perhaps 4 global mods to work under the admin. Perma-ban requires unanimous agreement, temp bans (say up to 14 days) just need demonstrable rationale, and warnings don't need much of anything beyond a rules violation.

Then you make a few rules (which'll naturally have some subjectivity) and go from there. If somebody is a tyrant the leadership (read: admin) can remove their privileges, since its their board.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine