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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:56 am 
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Black Armed:607.04ms
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I started out doing really poorly. Then I realized I'd misread the instructions and was "shooting" with my "holster" hand and vice versa. I backed out to check the directions and didn't care to go back in.


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Don't get a handgun Mook.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Don't get a handgun Mook.


Huh. Never thought I'd see those words escape your fingers...


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Your Score: 480
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:614.8ms
Black Unarmed:753.48ms
White Armed:695.52ms
White Unarmed:738.56ms

So, yeah. I displayed the sort of bias the test is designed to uncover. Honestly, though, I think that's due more to the years of media attention given to black people saying "we're not all criminals!" than anything else. I don't equate young black males with criminal behavior because I've seen a lot of young black male criminals on the streets or in the news. I equate young black males with criminal behavior because I've seen a lot of young black males saying things like "what, so I'm a crook 'cuz I'm black?".
It's reached a point where I can hear myself thinking things like "don't act nervous, don't treat him differently, looking like a gangbanger doesn't mean he *is* a gangbanger" and then wondering why I'm even thinking such things.

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What threw me was a dark phone or gun over dark clothing.


I can't be sure, but those may have been the ones where I didn't click fast enough. That effect is also why the lack of nighttime scenes means it doesn't tell the full story.

I did this once with swinging targets in the dark; there was one of a masked guy pointing a telephone at you just like a gun. The range was dark except for some strobe lighting and lights back by the booth which didn't illuminate the targets beyond being able to see the shape. I shot that picture, and I think almost everyone else in the class did too.

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I did this once with swinging targets in the dark; there was one of a masked guy pointing a telephone at you just like a gun. The range was dark except for some strobe lighting and lights back by the booth which didn't illuminate the targets beyond being able to see the shape. I shot that picture, and I think almost everyone else in the class did too.


That really seems like more of a lesson to ski-mask-wearing individuals confronted by the police while on the phone than anything else.


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I did this once with swinging targets in the dark; there was one of a masked guy pointing a telephone at you just like a gun. The range was dark except for some strobe lighting and lights back by the booth which didn't illuminate the targets beyond being able to see the shape. I shot that picture, and I think almost everyone else in the class did too.


That really seems like more of a lesson to ski-mask-wearing individuals confronted by the police while on the phone than anything else.


The lesson there was after the shooting. That would have been a completely justified shooting, but you would have to articulate why it was justified. They critiqued you on the accuracy of your decription of what you saw (they knew, because they set it up and looked at it first) and your articulation of what caused you to believe it was a gun. You were supposed to treat the entire thing as a real scenario, and if the target "flipped" (turned back so its narrow edge was towards you, essentially making it invisible) that meant they had surrendered or something and not to fire.

So, everyone was yelling at this target to drop the gun, and they didn't flip it back, so it got blasted.

There was a gotcha in there, in that the original scenario was that the reason you were there was a distress call from 2 undercover officers. Of course, this guy turned out to be one of the undercover officers, and the instructors wanted to know why no one asked what they were dressed like. The lesson being make sure you have all the information. Of course, it wasn't as effective as the lesson about articulation because in reality, the dispatcher should just give you any and all information she has, and an undercover cop should know damn well not to point his phone at a uniformed officer as if it were a gun, especially in the dark when that guy is here expecting to confront armed people.

Some training scenarios are better than others.

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Don't get a handgun Mook.


I'll be sure to avoid any guns which require me to shoot with one hand and not shoot with my other hand.

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Don't get a handgun Mook.


I'll be sure to avoid any guns which require me to shoot with one hand and not shoot with my other hand.


That should be easy. You generally shoot with both hands.

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Diamondeye wrote:
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Don't get a handgun Mook.


I'll be sure to avoid any guns which require me to shoot with one hand and not shoot with my other hand.


That should be easy. You generally shoot with both hands.

Yeah, but you should be able to shoot competently with either hand.


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Bah. You should be able to shoot simultaneously with both hands, while diving to the side, with shell casings falling in slow motion to the floor...oh damn, wait a sec...

/johnwoo off

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I think I could have done better. At first I kept pressing the holster key when I wanted to blast a MF'er and and the murder key when I wanted to spare a foo. ;)
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Your Score: 500
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:635.16ms
Black Unarmed:696.36ms
White Armed:600.84ms
White Unarmed:681ms


They should have had a guy holding a can of soda in one hand and a gun in the other. :o

All I know is, when dealing with cops, keep you hands visible and don't have anything in them. If some one has a gun pointed at you, you should probably listen to them.

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Just holding down the shoot key:
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Your Score: -500
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:20ms
Black Unarmed:17.32ms
White Armed:19.6ms
White Unarmed:17.72ms

Interesting that it takes me longer to shoot an armed person than unarmed even while just holding the key down for the duration of the test.

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Hokanu wrote:
Just holding down the shoot key:
Spoiler:
Game Over
Your Score: -500
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:20ms
Black Unarmed:17.32ms
White Armed:19.6ms
White Unarmed:17.72ms

Interesting that it takes me longer to shoot an armed person than unarmed even while just holding the key down for the duration of the test.


And on the other side of the spectrum, just holding down the holster key:
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Game Over
Your Score: -1750
Average reaction time:
Black Armed:35.76ms
Black Unarmed:34.8ms
White Armed:31.88ms
White Unarmed:33.52ms

Welp, no bias there!

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Bah. You should be able to shoot simultaneously with both hands, while diving to the side, with shell casings falling in slow motion to the floor...oh damn, wait a sec...

/johnwoo off

You forgot the doves.

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Yeah, but you should be able to shoot competently with either hand.


Yes, but that comes later, and then you're not doing anything with the other hand. You sure as **** shouldn't be shooting a second gun.

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I JUST started practicing offhand fire. It ain't east at all even at 10 yards.

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Black Armed:762.28ms
Black Unarmed:795.48ms
White Armed:736.48ms
White Unarmed:771.04ms


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from this test, I have no business being a cop with a gun.

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I JUST started practicing offhand fire. It ain't east at all even at 10 yards.


Even for the ambidextrous I'm told; something to do with the aiming is always better on one side.

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Because people have dominate eyes, and its much harder to perform any distance task (such as aiming) across the dominate eye.


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Elmarnieh wrote:
I JUST started practicing offhand fire. It ain't east at all even at 10 yards.


Don't expect it to get a lot better. I've been doing it for.. almost 9 years now and you just never see that much improvement.

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Micheal wrote:
from this test, I have no business being a cop with a gun.


I hate to say it Mike, but you're getting older. If you'd been doing it a long time you'd probably be fine but they're not giving you a lot of time and reactions get slower.

Frankly I think the decision time allowed is far too small to be realistic; it should be at least twice as long.

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