The Glade 4.0

No, that's your reading comprehension having difficulties.

So a couple more clarifications.

One thing to note is that celebacy in the terms of the Catholic church also prohibits masterbation. So while there are plenty of folks out there who haven't gotten any for a while, pretty much all of them have whacked off which can be a suitable if not wholely satisfying alternative.

My comment was "wrongheaded about things sexual in nature." So what I mean by that is that the Catholic church seems to have all sorts of bizarre opinions about sex only being used for procreation, not spilling any seed, sex being a sin, missionary being the only "acceptable" position, not actually enjoying sex, the list goes on. These are all in my opinion "wrongheaded" and have been influenced over the centuries by the unnatural act of denying themselves one of the most core drives of man.

I think your comprehension of the topic is what's having difficulties.

It's not difficult to find someone to have sex with legally. That convinces me that your bias is showing. A priest falls off the celibacy wagon falls off the celibacy wagon, he doesn't fall into a whole new sexual bent.

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You're correct, and if you actually read what I posted, you'd see that I said nothing different.

"However I do believe that celebacy does cause a lot of stress that comes out in odd ways" was OK...

The "... and wrongheaded thinking about most things sexual in nature." is where you lost it.

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In time, this too shall pass.

I'm quite confident that most priests do precisely this. Perfection is not expected; people are going to sin from time to time.



I think that a lot of these ideas are obsolete ones, and I don't think you can show any causal link to celibacy. In some cases, they may not even be official church doctrine, but rather misinterpretation by lower-level clergy.

Moreover, why exactly should they not hold sexual ideas that are, in your opinion, bizarre? I don't actually see that bizarre is a good descriptor in the first place since while they are repressive, they are hardly outlandish. In any case, you're not catholic, so what do you care?

The original topi, in any case, was gays. I pointed out that the attitude towards gays is not exactly what was represented in the OP. Then it became sexual molestation, and how catholic doctrine "causes" it. That was addressed and dispelled as well. Now we're on to more and more mild objections to sexual attitudes that really have less and less effect on pretty much anyone other than people who choose to remain catholic, and that effect is nothing that would be a matter of wider community concern. What's the interest here? Just finding an excuse to talk about how nonCatholics know so much better than Catholics about sex?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to hold those ideas. As to why I care, I care for the same reason that Catholics care about gay marriage. I believe their ideas are harmful and detrimental to our society.



So one of the reasons this is on my mind lately is because of this stunt by the Catholic Church here in MN.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... nienstadt/

Sure. Let's go with that.

WTF are you talking about. A degree of seperation doesn't change where you lay the cause. Learn2logic.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Apparently since the creation of this thread I've needed to go to confession multiple times.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

I just do confession when I file my taxes.

Its easier that way.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Travel note to self: If you drive through Montana, put the windows up.

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You seriously think that Catholic's opinions on sexual practices that really apply only to Catholics are detrimental to society in some meaningful way?



Its hilarious that you think the Catholic Church (or specifically the clergyman in question) doing nothing more than exercising its right to free speech is "pulling a stunt".

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I actually think the Catholic Church in general is detrimental to society. Not completely, they do some good here and there, but overall I believe they do much more harm than good.

I am always amused by people that hold the abilities of government in such high esteem, yet utterly fail to see the parallel track when considering religious organizations... or any organization for that matter.

I think you're confused if you think I hold the government in high esteem.

Which is, quite frankly, hilarious.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Possibly. In general, I consider you one of the board posters most likely to support programs that undermine self reliance in favor of governmental support.

That position tracks closely with what you have just stated you dislike so much.

While I do support the idea of safety net programs, I don't see the correlation between that and holding government in "high esteem".

And my support of those safety nets doesn't track at all with my comments about the Catholic Church. I don't see how you're drawing any kind of parallel there.

Aizle:

You should probably stop posting in this thread. It's in the entire forum's best interest.

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And why is that?

Your words, I don't think they mean what you think they mean.

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How about you post what you're confused on, or think I'm off base on instead of cute one liners?

You're disparaging an entire religion and from the content of your posts it appears you have no knowledge of the practices, beliefs and social impact of the Catholic Church. It appears to me that you are simply digging a hole from which you can't escape. If I am off-base then please post in detail why the Catholic Church is bad for society as a whole, compare the goods with whatever evils you have on your list and we can discuss. Although broad-stroke arguments such as "are bad for society" generally are logical fallacies in themselves.

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There are so many places to start. However, it wouldn't really be fair...it's not like they're worse than any other organized religion. (Except, perhaps, by nature of being so old and well organized.)

Let's go with that wonderful old beatified sister, Mother Teresa. This near-saint was instrumental in setting back family planning in the most populous nation in the world. Yes, let's convince the people of a nation like India not to use birth control.

Stupid bint.

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