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Which poll option best describes you:
I want people to be controlled. 44%  44%  [ 11 ]
I do not want people to be controlled. 56%  56%  [ 14 ]
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I challenge you to find any civilization that has existed without some form of control. It need not be laws. Religion, Tradition etc all serve. Without it, society cannot exist. Humans crave some form of security, otherwise we'd all be running around or hiding in holes like scared rodents.


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Lord knows that if the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that the various forms of government employ in an attempt to "make me feel secure" suddenly disappeared, I'd head for the nearest rat-hole. :roll:

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I want to make some kind of dirty comment, but it would be taken too seriously.


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Dalantia wrote:
I want to make some kind of dirty comment, but it would be taken too seriously.



Yes, and it would also be moderated.


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Vindicarre wrote:
Lord knows that if the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that the various forms of government employ in an attempt to "make me feel secure" suddenly disappeared, I'd head for the nearest rat-hole. :roll:

But if ALL societal controls vanished? No laws? No religion? No hell/damnation? No consequences with peers if they killed someone or stole from them?


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Is the question actually asking about that? Or are you changing the parameters of the poll?

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The poll is asking if I feel people need to be controlled. It doesn't ask if people need laws. I feel there must be some form of control, lest we fall prey to our baser instincts. That form of control need not be laws.


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TheRiov wrote:
Vindicarre wrote:
Lord knows that if the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that the various forms of government employ in an attempt to "make me feel secure" suddenly disappeared, I'd head for the nearest rat-hole. :roll:

But if ALL societal controls vanished? No laws? No religion? No hell/damnation? No consequences with peers if they killed someone or stole from them?


Considering impossible scenarios isn't the point of Rynar's post. He specifically asked people to regard it in the framework provided by the Heinlein quote i.e. the arena of "political tags".

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Rynar wrote:
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Second, the poll does not match the quoted statement. He makes no reference to controlling others, he references people who want to be controlled, or do not want to be controlled. That is very different from whether or not we want others to be controlled.


Heinlein wrote:
those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire

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I want people to be controlled and I do not want people to be controlled


Ummm, yes they do.


No, these statements are different. There's a huge difference between wanting to be controlled and wanting others to be controlled.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Rynar wrote:
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Second, the poll does not match the quoted statement. He makes no reference to controlling others, he references people who want to be controlled, or do not want to be controlled. That is very different from whether or not we want others to be controlled.


Heinlein wrote:
those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire

Rynar wrote:
I want people to be controlled and I do not want people to be controlled


Ummm, yes they do.


No, these statements are different. There's a huge difference between wanting to be controlled and wanting others to be controlled.


Both the poll and his referenced quote are talking about "wanting people to be controlled." You are the only one referencing "wanting to be controlled." (minus the word "people.") Possibly you just read it wrong?

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Mookhow wrote:
Is the question actually asking about that? Or are you changing the parameters of the poll?


No, I'm not. Just a conversational aside, based on the commentary to this point.

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Talya wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Rynar wrote:
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Second, the poll does not match the quoted statement. He makes no reference to controlling others, he references people who want to be controlled, or do not want to be controlled. That is very different from whether or not we want others to be controlled.


Heinlein wrote:
those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire

Rynar wrote:
I want people to be controlled and I do not want people to be controlled


Ummm, yes they do.


No, these statements are different. There's a huge difference between wanting to be controlled and wanting others to be controlled.


Both the poll and his referenced quote are talking about "wanting people to be controlled." You are the only one referencing "wanting to be controlled." (minus the word "people.") Possibly you just read it wrong?


/sigh, yes, I misread.

Read it several times - never saw the offending word "people".


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Rynar wrote:
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Is the question actually asking about that? Or are you changing the parameters of the poll?


No, I'm not. Just a conversational aside, based on the commentary to this point.


You didn't, but Theriov was trying to.

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Vindicarre wrote:
Lord knows that if the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that the various forms of government employ in an attempt to "make me feel secure" suddenly disappeared, I'd head for the nearest rat-hole. :roll:


The government does not have tens or hundreds of thousands of pages of regulation to "make you feel secure"; they have them because hundreds of millions of Americans all have different opinions on what they want and the government tries to satisfy them all.

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