The Glade 4.0

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That field sobriety test would be unfair to Chester Cheetah... Remember, Neil Pert **** rocks!

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Nah, Obama's admionistration wants to be out of the way of this. I predict no interference from the Federal Government.

That said, with the ease with which growing for personal use is done, I feel the amount yielded by taxation will be less than anticipated.

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This passed the CA Assembly of Public Safety vote, by the way. 4-3. Looking like it'll end up on the ballots next November.

Nope, has to make it out of the health committee by Friday. That just isn't going to happen. Nice try, but it will die in committee.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

/necro

Spoke too soon, Mike.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/201 ... ia-ballot/

I'm really torn on this. On one hand I work for the Department that monitors the facilities that help people who have drug abuse problems and whether some of you believe it or not, we have huge numbers of people for whom smoking pot is a huge problem in their lives, and i'm not talking about it being illegal, I'm talking about it consuming their lives like other drug addictions.

On the other hand, I know a lot of people who use marijuana regularly and maintain a pretty normal lifestyle, no run ins with the law, no real problem, except the nerves at point of purchase. Even that has diminished greatly over the years.

Alcohol is legal and we have lots of people going through lots of trouble because of that drug, and we learned from prohibition that, well prohibition does not work.

By the way, remember me talking about spot bills? AB 2254 was overwritten with the language from AB 139 so now the bill to watch is AB 2254, still going through the process.

In the meantime, the petition to put the Tax Cannabis 2010 Proposition on the ballot is a separate entity in and of itself. Same goals and at this point in time it looks likely to pass. I imagine the Assembly will sit on 2254 until November and see what happens with the proposition so the administration doesn't have to put its back against the wall and veto one of the more popular bills in decades, just to show they are tough on drugs.

But, you never know. Budget being as it is, Arnie may bite the bullet, sign it and say its the only way to keep California's finances from sliding into the ocean and the Chinese from foreclosing on Hollywood..

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Michael, addictive personalities will find something to be addicted to. If it stimulates pleasure center, theyw ill gravitate to it. You should want pot to be more available so people pick this rather than meth or WoW.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Legalization might save the Californian economy for a few years, Micheal. To my mind, that has to be the largest, and quite frankly, the overwhelming concern right now for any Californian, despite any potential drawbacks.

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People don't cause auto accidents while playing WoW.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Ha ha ha. You don't know my friends and their laptops.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Rynar - For me that would be a good thing, looking at the long road, for a lot of people that would be a good thing.

However,it is just going to build up more debt that will never be paid as the legislators refuse to heed the wake up call and start spending all the money the weed brings in. We will still have multi-billion dollar deficits every year until we can issue tags for legislators that spend too much money.

Elm - addictive personalities will find something - that is something like habitual liars will continue to lie, thieves will continue to steal, yadda yadda yadda. Where do we draw the line? Why don't we legalize all this junk, refuse treatment for everything, and make everyone totally accountable for all the **** in their lives no matter what direction it comes from? Bad stuff happens all the time, walking away from people in need is tough, especially when you know they can be helped. DE might not know your friends Elmo, but he'll make sure they are arrested for reckless driving, if they survived, and any other charges that might accumulate from their illegal behavior.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Sure but laws against driving while under influence (including pot) already exist. So laws that protect the rights of others are in place. Smoking pot by itself causes no harm to others.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

except maybe the food industry... have you seen the way someone attacks food when they are stoned >.< It's not pretty...

I agree wholeheartedly. I would just prefer the suffering be mediated by gradual correction, as opposed to what can otherwise be expected. I will say, however, I'm glad to have read your writing, rather than have written it myself.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Necro because Hellfire has been stuck on a single topic for a few days.

Arnie signs bill decriminalizing marijuana in CA. No longer do you have to see a judge, now you just pay a $100 fine and continue your day.



Speeding tickets are $250+ minimum in my experience, and no one gives half a **** about those.

This is likely to be useless, however, because every poll I've seen has Prop 19 ahead. If it doesn't pass for some reason, though, this would still be suitable. At least for another year.

That's really a bizarre way to describe it, unless California has a really bizarrely constructed legal code in the first place. In Ohio, it's already a maximum $100 fine with no possible jail for simple posession. It's still a misdemeanor; specifically a minor misdemeanor (the lowest form.)

I don't see how it can still be illegal and you have to pay a fine but they can claim its "decriminalized" and "not a misdemeanor". All they did was lower the severity of it to rock bottom.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Aren't summary offenses lowers than misdemeanors in Ohio?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

It's not really bizarre.. CA differentiates infractions, misdemeanors and felonies. Infraction means no court, no jail time. Misdemeanor can be penalties up to 1 year of jail time iirc.

DE,

My understanding is that if you are "convicted" of a misdemeaner, then you cannot say "no" on to a question that asks if you've ever been conficted of a crime.

If you are "convicted" of a speeding violation, you can answer no.

So there's levels of "crime" below misdemeanor.

Not exactly. Traffic offenses are simply not called criminal offenses. Driving with a suspended license is a first-degree misdemeanor, but it is a traffic offense, not a criminal offense. Posession of marijuana is far less serious than driving suspended, but one is criminal and one is traffic.

All felonies are always criminal offenses regardless.

In that sense I suppose you could say that marijuana is "decriminalized" by not being a "criminal" offense any longer that you wouldn't have to admit to on an application, but that would mean it falls into some other category. In Ohio, the only other category is traffic which is obviously not approriate; the legislature would need to create some new category.

Evidently California has "infractions" which is not a concept I ever dealt with. That would, I suppose, be noncriminal if in their code misdemeanors are all criminal. My objection to "decriminalized" is that it sounds like "legalized" but it isn't really legalized, and that subtle distinction is probably lost on many people.

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