The Glade 4.0

Let me clarify what I mean.

Objective facts are those in which there is no room for interpretation. Based on the ways that humans observe and interact with the world, by definition most "objective facts" are in actuality opinion, supported by data, filtered by a persons background and experiences. That is to say, tainted by bias.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

For the purposes of this discussion assume that by objective facts, I mean absolute truth, regardless of varied human interpretations.

If there is/was an omnipotent being who created the world, and thus all laws governing it, there would be an objective truth, and an objective morality, if that being so deemed it, as it would strip from your argument the idea that morality was a human construct.

If it is fact that morality is a human construct, you are correct. If it is fact that morality is not a human construct, you are incorrect.

Saddly, this fact is unknowable.

Well, as I don't believe in an omnicient being or god, then I change my statement to "there are no objective facts".

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

If he is omnipotent, then you are part of him, and thus your opinion is part of this objective morality, and it becomes subjective based on different people.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

But what does that mean, facts without context are meaningless. The atomic mass of Helium is 4.002602... so? How is mass measured? In comparison to something else no?

There certainly is question as to wether morality is a human construct of not. If the being created the concept, and even the concept of a concept itself, then the beings morality is objective. Other moralities would be incorrect.

That would depend on if you knew his intentions or not.

Your belief does not fact make. Regardless of wether you, Talya, or myself believe something is true has no bearing on wether the thing is true of not.

I disagree, entirely.

I find that fact amusing, in itself.

Anyway, you cannot objectively prove the idea that a God-being's morality is more correct than a serial killer's morality. You can possibly prove one morality provides more advantageous results, but you cannot prove it is more correct.

I disagree, entirely.

I find that fact amusing, in itself.

Anyway, you cannot objectively prove the idea that a God-being's morality is more correct than a serial killer's morality. You can possibly prove one morality provides more advantageous results, but you cannot prove it is more correct.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Might makes right?

I did not say I could prove it. I simply stated there are unknowable objective facts. A correct and an incorrect.

I did not say I could prove it. I simply stated there are unknowable objective facts. A correct and an incorrect.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

As far as society goes, anyway.

Ultimately, "Might makes right" is the basis of Christianmost religious doctrine.

Maybe it's a fact that morality is like having a favorite color.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Assume, for the purposes of this thread, that by fact I mean "something that is objectively true". Not all things that are objectively true are knowable.

Assume, for the purposes of this thread, that by fact I mean "something that is objectively true". Not all things that are objectively true are knowable.

ok... except for the last part. Truth requires knowledge. It's a chicken and egg thing, by definition. Subjective truths are truths sometimes, objective truths are truths all the time.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.